Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Burk


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus that WP:CREATIVE C4 is met exists, so the subject is probably notable. Subsequently, meeting WP:GNG is not required.

WP:BASIC has not been mentioned here, but meeting an additional criteria usually implies meeting WP:BASIC. Roughly checking the sources, the combined coverage (WP:SIGCOV is not strictly required in WP:BASIC) does not look too far off of WP:BASIC to warrant further discussion.

For WP:NINHERITED, WP:CREATIVE is explicitly mentioned as one of the exceptions.

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John Burk

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Sources fails in passing WP:GNG Citterz (talk) 10:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Citterz (talk) 10:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom and WP:NINHERITED. The subject's claim to notability is inherited from grammys awarded to albums that his company produced, such as Genius Loves Company. SailingInABathTub (talk) 11:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Passes WP:GNG as receiving coverage in reputable magazines like The New York Times, Billboard (magazine), JazzTimes, The Washington Times etc. He also qualifies for WP:CREATIVE as being a four-time Grammy Award winner. His productions have earned a total of 23 Grammy nominations and 12 Grammy Awards. One of his productions, Ray Charles’ Genius Loves Company, won both Grammy Award for Album of the Year and Grammy Award for Record of the Year. Grailcombs (talk) 13:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, let's analyse these sources. New York Times - name appears once in a list of names, Billboard magazine - someone else's obituary, JazzTimes - behind a paywall, but other articles on the same just have one quote from Burk on the festival, nothing about him, The Washington Times - wrong John Burk. All of the grammy awards are for albums that his company worked on, not for him personally. That and productions that he worked on fall under WP:INHERITED. SailingInABathTub (talk) 13:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Hi,, You should analyse again because the assumptions you said are clearly wrong here.
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/31/movies/arts-briefing.html (His name appears 2-3 times here in RAY CHARLES FINALE)
 * https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/1555089/phil-ramone-remembered-by-john-burk-co-producer-of-ray (Same John Burks Obituary not someone else's)
 * https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/12/grammy-winning-jazz-singer-al-jarreau-dies-at-76/ (Same John Burk mentioned)
 * https://www.grammy.com/grammys/artists/john-r-burk/8135 (4 Grammy Wins)
 * https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/grammys-album-year-winner-1959-863495 (Also featured on The Hollywood Reporter)
 * He also produced Here We Go Again which won Grammy Award for Record of the Year. These achivements should be enough to give him a pass for both WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE. Grailcombs (talk) 14:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, passing mentions are not WP:SIGCOV, there is no detailed coverage of Burk, and it is the albums that are notable for winning the grammys - not Burk. SailingInABathTub (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep A notable Grammy Award winining producer with coverage on reliable sources. Passes WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE for his work. Pilean (talk) 16:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree the sourcing is weak, but the Grammy awards certainly meet criteria for notability. ShelbyMarion (talk) 03:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As per SailingInABathTub. MrsSnoozyTurtle (talk) 07:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Current coverage passes GNG. His career and wining Grammy Award makes him qualify for CREATIVE too. Setreis (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, four-time Grammy Award winner, dozens of Grammy nominations, signed dozens of famous and highly notable artists, founded Concord Music Group, and did much more. Actually should not have been nominated for deletion in the first place. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 17:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, per DmitriRomanovJr. Why was this nominated in the first place? The article could use some cleaning up, but I think the notability bar has clearly been met. PK650 (talk) 03:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, Grammy Award winner so he meets WP:MUSICBIO. Expertwikiguy (talk) 02:25, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.