Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Carter (actor)


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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus here on whether the notability guidelines are met. Davewild (talk) 07:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

John Carter (actor)

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'''Non-notable actor. Quis separabit? 20:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe No huge roles or awards, but a fairly steady 40-year TV career. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:51, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep I'd give him a pass. His roles in Barnaby Jones and The Smith Family aren't minor. IMDB lists him as being in 103 movies/TV shows (and only 3 are uncredited). So yeah, good and long career, passes WP:ENT to me. (The article is pretty dire, but it can be improved). Nohomersryan (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This John Carter is not mentioned at Barnaby Jones. His brother Conlan guest-starred once. Kraxler (talk) 16:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he should be mentioned, seeing as how he was in 89 episodes. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the article doesn't mention "Lt. Biddle" and the size of the role. I haven't seen any episodes, so I couldn't tell. Kraxler (talk) 23:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I, too, find that he had quite a long career, but I can find no articles about him. I hoped for obits and checked the NY Times, LA Times, Variety. Zip. Searching is complicated by a recent, very poorly received, movie titled "John Carter" so you have to wade through all of that. Still, after a moderate effort, I came up with nothing. As for the comments above, regardless of how impressive his bona fides in Hollywood, we do need reliable sources to keep this as a WP page. LaMona (talk) 02:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a paid death notice in the New York Times, actually given as a source in the article. But yes, we need RS, and the only two refs given in the article do not qualify. Kraxler (talk) 23:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:ENT can supersede the GNG Nohomersryan (talk) 17:22, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Which one were the significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions? Kraxler (talk) 00:17, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:45, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak, weak, weak keep. He was a regular cast member of Barnaby Jones (good) and The Smith Family (meh). That plus his long career and extensive credits just barely pushes him into the keep category. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also recurring roles in two soaps: Dallas and Falcon Crest (plus he's been to Barsoom) Clarityfiend (talk) 09:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Extremely weak Keep - This is one of those !votes where I follow WP:IAR - Poorly sourced BLPs usually end up being deleted but with this bloke .... Well he's been in over 100 tv shows/films since 1967 which is obviously an extremely long time and rather impressive so per NACTOR and the fact he has a long career I have to say Keep even if it is extremely weak. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll explain why I don't go for a cumulative weak keep: this guy basically went to work. So did I - for decades. That his work was acting and mine was software development shouldn't mean that he gets a WP page. Yes, he's an actor, but honestly, unless you are famous it's a job. Now, we can all see how unfair it is that some jobs (actor, sports player, politician) get more media attention than others (school teacher, librarian, programmer) but that is just a part of the culture we live in. However, the WP policies don't say that anyone who is in the former list of jobs is notable just for going to work, and anyone in the latter is not. WP says that you are notable if others find you notable enough to write or produce reliably-sourced documentation about you. We mustn't confound the job title and the requirement for notability. LaMona (talk) 21:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - per LaMona's statement here above, which describes very well the situation here. I asked for a list of his numerous important roles, but no answer so far. And no coverage, no in-depth sources. Kraxler (talk) 11:23, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


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