Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Craven (hymnwriter)


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:05, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

John Craven (hymnwriter)

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At this moment I don't think this person meets Wikipedia:Notability (music). He wrote one song in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hymns book. While that may sound big, that makes him one of 341 plus composers and not very many of them have their own pages. Only the composers who wrote multiple songs AND served in LDS Church leadership positions seem to have their own pages. Therefore, I don't think that mean he meets any of the 6 requirements for notability for composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists.

I will grant that, if the page were expanded, Craven may meets Notability (music). However, the way this page is now I just don't see it. --- ARTEST4ECHO(Talk) 19:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * User:ARTEST4ECHO, I just want to point out, in case you are unaware, that editors are not supposed to bring articles here until and unless they have searched for notability among souces not on the page, since this is a place to discuss whether the topic is notable, not whether the page is adequate.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I did look for him, but found nothing.--- ARTEST4ECHO(Talk) 13:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * DElete -- clearly NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep There are less than 341 composers of LDS hymns. Many of the other people who we have articles on are only notable for being hymnwriters. The claim about also being LDS Church leaders is based on both a less than full perusal of the contents and a misunderstanding of the nature of the LDS Church. Many of them have listed callings, but these callings, such as being a bishop, are local leadership positions that would not alone come anywhere near establishing notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:07, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Johnpacklambert you know LDS sources, can you fing write-ups of this hymn writer? Searching isn't simple because there are other John Cravens.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete I cannot find sources that discuss Craven, or his hymn. The hymn appears to be popular, at least, there are web pages with instructions for choir directors, and you can print out the sheet music, but I cannot find that anything substantive  has been written about the hymn, or about Craven.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * or consider a Merge into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hymns, nd article that can itself use better sourcing and that might benefit from being broken up into separate pages on LDS hymns and LDS hymnals.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, did not received coverage outside LSD sources, and apparently he did not even received substantial coverage IN LSD sources, blatantly failing GNG or suitable SNGs. Cavarrone  13:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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