Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John D'Agostino (financial services)


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The result was Keep.  (non-admin closure)Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:N Debonairchap (talk) 06:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Subject is non-notable, and appears to be the author of his own article - or at least, the author is someone who knows a lot of non-verifiable details about Mr. D'Agostino (his primary school, etc), and has access to a high-res photo of Mr. D'Agostino. Article not written from a neutral point of view (unsourced and non-NPOV claim that he "grew up in a working-class family in Brooklyn"). Subject has held a number of middle-management positions, and been interviewed by trade press - that certainly doesn't meet notability criteria. Only possible grounds for notability are that the article claims he was the model for a bestselling fictionalised account of his career, but this claim appears unverifiable. The subject of the fictionalised book is "David Russo", not John D'Agostino, and the only sources I can find for the claim that it was based on Mr. D'Agostino's life are from Mr. D'Agostino himself. Whether or not it "has been optioned for movie production by Summit Entertainment", that doesn't in itself make the subject of this article notable. Recommend delete. Debonairchap (talk) 07:10, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lots of reliable sources describe his career and connect him to the book Rigged. Bloomberg article, Risk.net interview, CNBC interview, Fortune interview, Ben Mezrich's "Author's Note", Wall Street Journal piece, The Street piece, Market Watch article. It looks to me as if the photo was obtained by uploader dangerousrave directly from D'Agostino. Binksternet (talk) 08:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The article has POV problems and doesn't make good use of the information in the references. He is the subject of a book (albeit under a pseudonym, but it appears that everyone knows his real identity) and he has been involved in some interesting business developments. But the article needs to be more about those few activities that make him notable, and less about promoting him. I'll try to tone down some of the superlatives. LaMona (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, look again. I toned down the POV problems, so now I think it is much more factual. LaMona (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep All the information are verifiable if one cares to actually read them. There is a video in one of the reference link where the author of the book speaks at length on the subject. Information on subject's education history is also included in one article. unhedge (talk) 10:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected on the verifiability - indeed several sources do confirm the book was based on Mr D'Agostino, - and I welcome the slightly more NPOV rewrites. But I'd still suggest the subject doesn't meet notability criteria in his own right. He hasn't yet actually done anything to merit a wikipedia article - certainly, the novel based on his life merits an article, and perhaps we could merge some of this content with the article on the novel. But as stated, the subject himself doesn't presently appear to have done much more than hold down a middle-management position in the financial services industry, and hasn't been responsible for any notable decisions. By comparison, he's tagged in "Category:American stock traders" - such people are not tagged solely because they are stock traders, they are tagged because they are notable; being a stock trader does not confer notability per se. And if we look at the other names in that category, this becomes apparent: Bernard Baruch, Warren Buffet, Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr., George Soros. I see no evidence that the subject is in that league. His notability stems from the book. Delete this article, but merge some content with Rigged (book). Debonairchap (talk) 10:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Wikipedia guidelines do note it is better to improve the article than delete it for not being good enough. There are far more un-notable subjects that Debonairchap created and helped keep on Wikipedia? 77.234.45.133 (talk) 12:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mr. D'Agostino. Debonairchap (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
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