Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Deraney


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

John Deraney

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGRIDIRON, having never played professionally.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  15:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - not notable. Deb (talk) 16:01, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appeared in 47 games for a Power Five team and scored 199 points from 2003-2006. See here. Passes WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. Examples of coverage include: (1) "Once, twice, three times a kicker", Greensboro News & Record, 8/22/06; (2) "Coping through kicking: NCSU's Deraney draws inspiration from his father, who is battling MS", Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News, 10/4/06 (640 words, available via NewsLibrary.com); (3) "A Step Ahead, Deraney Has Wolfpack's Special-Teams Hopes Squarely on His Foot", Winston-Salem Journal, 8/30/05 (752 words, available via NewsLibrary.com); (4) "Deraney Delivers Touchbacks, N.C. State's Kickoff Team Doesn't Have To Do Much When John Deraney Is On Top of His Game", Greensboro News & Record, 10/4/03; and (5) "Deraney has weight on his shoulder pads: Pack kicker's dad in failing health", Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News, 8/3/06. Interesting fact: Deraney once recovered his own onside kick and followed with a field goal. See here. Cbl62 (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * There are 66 "Power Five" football teams right now, and Deraney is not even a top 5 kicker in NC State history per NC State Wolfpack football statistical leaders. Two of your sources are stories about Deraney's father being ill from the same newspaper.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  17:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I draw the "Power Five" distinction because there are literally hundreds of college football teams, including over 100 at the Division I FBS level.  "Power Five" represents the elite level. He was primarily known as a punter and it thus not surprising he only ranks 7th in NC State history for field goals made.  What matters most is the extent of the significant coverage, found in multiple, reliable sources. Cbl62 (talk) 17:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If Deraney were a four-year punter at "Power Five" Oregon State from 1980–1983 when they went a combined 4–38–2, would he meet your notability threshold? There are subsets within subsets in college football and I don't believe NC State qualifies as enough of a top college football program to warrant inclusion of run-of-the-mill players from their program. I still don't find the coverage you found to be significant, it's the same articles I found before nominating.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  17:51, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know who Oregon State's punter was, let alone what coverage he received, what accomplishments, etc. By no means am I saying that every punter on every Power Five team is notable. The focus under WP:GNG is on the coverage which here consists of at least five eight feature stories focused on Deraney.  In close cases, I believe it is acceptable to give some consideration to the level of play and level of accomplishment, and in this case both of those factors bolster the claim of notability. Cbl62 (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have now expanded the article with in-line citations to eight feature stories about Deraney. Cbl62 (talk) 20:04, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per the sourcing and improvements that have been made to the article since this AfD was opened. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets GNG per Cbl62. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs )~ 16:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


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