Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Dewey School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. It seems to me that the WP:SCHOOLSOUTCOMES argument is being pushed to the limit with an article with virtually no content and absolutely no independent sources. There is nothing in the guidelines that this outweighs a lack of notability argument. I have declined also to merge to Panruti. This would have been sensible if the article already had an education section but it doesn't. Such a merge would be massively WP:UNDUE and on the basis of unacceptable refs at that. SpinningSpark 14:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

John Dewey School

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This is a procedural AfD. It was started by in this edit. I am neutral. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Mr User:Ritchie333 I am also Neutral..!! I even don't know this school !! Saurav Lamshal (talk) 15:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2014 July 14.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 16:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


 * - does that mean you want to withdraw this nomination? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:00, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

*Speedy Delete - as no content.  Flat Out  let's discuss it  23:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Despite the strange nom, article has no actual content, so Delete, possibly csd no content.-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per above - To be honest this should be CSD'd under A3 since there's no content at all. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  22:57, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:35, 15 July 2014 (UTC) ≈
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:CSD (hope I get it right the third time...hah!) Ansh666 01:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately CSD A3 also says "this criterion does not cover a page having only an infobox unless its contents also meet the criteria mentioned here" (ie: only tags and other templates). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:40, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Shhhhhhh you're not supposed to bring that point up (which I actually already knew this time, hence why I didn't tag it as such originally)!... Ansh666 12:03, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I think my basic point is that we've had several goes at trying to shoehorn this article into a CSD criteria, where none seem to fit, so we might as well sit out the AfD. Either the article's creator will come back and expand the article so people might be tempted to vote "keep", or they won't, in which case it'll get deleted. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep as a secondary school per long-standing consensus and precedent. See WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Now has content, even if only a stub, so that's no longer an issue. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment the John Dewey School is a primary through senior high school. It has no coverage that I could find.  Yes, we keep most high schools, but how about ones with no independent coverage in reliable sources? Wikipedia is not a directory. --Bejnar (talk) 07:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It's in India. How much do you expect to find on the internet on an Indian school? In my experience, not very much. That hasn't in the past stopped us keeping Indian secondary schools as long as their existence can be proved (it's utterly irrelevant whether they also have a primary section). -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:29, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep.  I expect that one of our many editors who come from India will be able to expand it. There's no deadline. Having stubs like these provide good opportunities for people to start editing.  DGG ( talk ) 16:59, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per DGG. I added one sentence and that's all I can muster, but I know from experience that India based articles do not feature heavily on online English sources. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment article only has one source, and it is not a third-party ref. Unless multiple reliable third-party sources can be added, fails WP:GNG and should be deleted. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 17:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * No, that's not how we handle secondary school articles. We have clear consensus otherwise. Proof of existence is all that is necessary for them to be kept. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not what SCHOOLOUTCOMES says at all, (and it is not a policy anyway and therefore does not over-rule GNG) it says proof of existence needs to come from "independent sources", which do not appear to be forthcoming-- Jac 16888 Talk 19:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - per DGG and long standing  precedent. This is clearly  a High  School. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * What exactly is the precedent? A school isn't notable for simply existing, and expecting someone "will be able to expand it" is borderline WP:CRYSTAL. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 02:46, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , the precedent is outlined in  the links above that  you  should follow. The recommendations  to  redirect and keep as an alternative to  deletion are also anchored in policy. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Precisely. Precedent is determined by debate. And we've had this one endlessly. I can't remember the last time a secondary school was deleted. We clearly have a precedent and a consensus to keep all secondary schools, which is outlined in WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I feel like you're reading a different WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES to me. To quote that page (bold is mine): "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools are being kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." There is no independent source, therefore this does not meet that criteria, therefore should be deleted. -- Jac 16888 Talk 17:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * But there are. Try this. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That source is ambiguous, it refers to 2 John Dewey Mat HR Sec Schools in Panruti, one on 36, Link Road and one at 29, Kasthuribai Street. Which is this article about, is it either? How do we know?SPACKlick (talk) 13:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge to locality, Panruti.  No independent sources, no meaningful context not suitable for the locality article.   Allow recreation on discovery of independent sourced coverage.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge as per above. SPACKlick (talk) 13:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete- I am with on this one. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES does quote that "most" are kept with sources. this one has little to none so therefore I do not feel it merits a keep.--Canyouhearmenow 17:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Panruti. Merge not appropriate, since there's nothing of substance to actually merge.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 06:14, 26 July 2014 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.