Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Douglas Smith


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The arguments to keep are persuasive; the argument to delete is weakened by the fact that the over promotion has been cleaned out. A merger would have consensus here, but in the absence of a viable target, this is a "keep". Vanamonde (Talk) 14:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

John Douglas Smith

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This article is sourced to a link that leads nowhere, and an IMDB page. I searched for better sourcing, but drew a blank - can't see how this passes GNG or NCREATIVE. Girth Summit  (blether) 22:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - Smith has been nominated for and won significant awards so meets WP:ANYBIO, but the article is not encyclopedic, no more than a list of award nominations, more like a promotional résumé - notablility is not based on content, but there is so little information and material of substance here that I don't think it would be missed if it were gone - Epinoia (talk) 01:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - winner of a Prime time Emmy. Bearian (talk) 21:04, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * weak keep Emmy winner seems good enough to justify notability. However usable sources on film staff other than actors and directors tend to be rather rare so the likelihood of acquiring any to turn the article into more that a one or two liners we currently have seems rather low and hence one might argue that this case might be better suited as list entry (on emmy winners) rather than its own article.--Kmhkmh (talk) 12:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC) Changed my opinion/assessment to neutral due to Girth Summit's last comment.--Kmhkmh (talk) 19:48, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - the article has been greatly improved by the removal of all the spam - thanks Kmhkmh. With regard to notability, I note that the award was not given to the subject as an individual, but to a team of professionals: "Marina Adam, Foley Artist; Rob Bertola, Sound Editor; Tom Bjelic, Supervising Sound Editor; Anthony Currie, Sound Editor; Allan Fung, Sound Editor; Garrett Kerr, Sound Editor; Craig Pettigrew, Music Editor; Donna G. Powell, Foley Artist; Paul Shikata, Sound Editor; John Douglas Smith, Supervising Sound Editor". Other than that one mention in a list of a team that won an Emmy, we seem to be devoid of sources; if the consensus is that this is enough to establish notability, then I'll be happy to go with that, but it seems weak to me. Girth Summit  (blether)  19:22, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that I've essentially just returned the article to its original state, the list spam was added by some IP later rather than by the original author/creator.--Kmhkmh (talk) 19:54, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging and  - I just wanted to check whether, when you !voted, you recognised that the Emmy was awarded to an entire team, rather than individually to the subject of the article. Apologies for the intrusion if you'd already factored that into your decision, just wanted to make sure. Cheers  Girth Summit  (blether)  19:57, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the ping. No, I had not seen it was a team effort, but as the "Supervising Sound Editor" he should still get credit. Bearian (talk) 13:29, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * , FWIW, note that he isn't the only 'supervising sound editor' on the list of recipients - I still think this is weak, but I'll stop badgering you now! Girth Summit  (blether)  18:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per Bearian.4meter4 (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Not keep - Is there a place we can merge? If not I guess I'm at delete. He's one of 10 people for a miniseries Emmy win. TEN. For one show. A miniseries at that. If there are not reliable sources then we are either left with a BLP that lacks RS to do more than Verify or we're left with a place that someone can use for promotional purposes. The latter has already happened - will it stay in its current form over time or will it turn back into an IMDB listing? This guy has doubtless done real work - including on projects of note - but that doesn't mean he's notable. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:27, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I'd be happy with a merge of some sort. I'm not sure all the content would be a good fit for Hitler: The Rise of Evil, which doesn't include biographical info about any other of the sound editors who won the award, but we could for example list the names of the sound design team who won the Emmy for that show? Girth Summit  (blether)  06:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)


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