Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Finucane (Sinn Féin politician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is a consensus this is TOOSOON. If elected please leave a message on my talk page and I will happily WP:REFUND. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:57, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

John Finucane (Sinn Féin politician)

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Fails WP:NPOL having not been elected to anything more than a local council position. Bondegezou (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep He is the Lord Mayor of a nation's capital city and there seem to be a sufficient number of news articles independent of the subject to warrant a separate article. SVUKnight (talk) 08:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Lord Mayor is a ceremonial post that rotates among the city's councillors. It's not something we'd generally take as proving notability. WP:ROUTINE and WP:NOTNEWS apply. Bondegezou (talk) 08:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * He is also a GAA goalkeeper and captain. He is also standing for MP for Westminster Parliament in the Belfast North constituency and welcomed Prince Charles to Belfast in May 2019. SVUKnight (talk) 09:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * See also: List of mayors of Belfast -- most other Lord Mayors of Belfast have biographies on wikipedia. SVUKnight (talk) 09:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have sought input at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom on whether being a Lord Mayor is in and of itself sufficient to establish notability. Standing for election does not imbue notability: see WP:NPOL. His GAA achievements are not listed in the article: please say more and we can look at relevant sportspeople notability criteria. Welcoming Prince Charles seems like WP:ROUTINE, not something that in itself is of much encyclopaedic note, but do share any reliable sources on the matter. Bondegezou (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for taking the initiative. I agree that the matter could use some clarification and guidance. Cheers. SVUKnight (talk) 03:20, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:NGAELIC would be the appropriate notability guideline for his sporting activities. I am afraid I am too ignorant of Gaelic sport to work out whether he qualifies under that or not. Happy to withdraw the AfD proposal if he clearly succeeds under that criterion. Bondegezou (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Lord Mayor is a ceremonial position. Only executive mayors qualify for articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I would like to note that SVUKnight has greatly improved the article. WP:NGAELIC requires an individual "played at senior inter-county level" and, as far as I can tell, Finucane has not done that, only playing at intra-county level. The WikiProject discussion initiated and prior discussion linked to can be summarised that Lord Mayors are not inherently notable because of that role (except the very different Lord Mayor of London), but that being a Lord Mayor of a major city, like Belfast, is of some note. This looks to me like WP:TOOSOON: he has some indicators of notability as a politician and some as a sportsperson, but meets neither NPOL or NGAELIC, nor indeed GNG. But the decision is closer than when I made the initial nomination! Bondegezou (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ミラP 23:07, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:POLITICIAN. Subject in question has not (yet) been elected to any notable position of government. --RaviC (talk) 23:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait Fincuane has received more than average coverage for a local politician (according to this, he was even interviewed by a Japanese newspaper) and I'd say it's a borderline case. This discussion should wait until after the election, because if he's elected (in less than a month) he will be automatically notable, so there's no need to waste time on it until then. buidhe 04:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If he is elected, then the page can be restored after the election as has been the case in other MP candidate pages. --RaviC (talk) 09:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "Interviewed by X" is not a notability criterion. People are notable if they're the subject of coverage, not if they're the giver of soundbite in an article about some other subject besides themselves. And, as noted, we have the ability to restore deleted articles if circumstances change, so the fact that he might win the election is not a valid reason to suspend AFD consideration in the interim — if we were to declare a moratorium on deleting candidate articles X days before the election, then every candidate in every election could just bumrush Wikipedia with their campaign brochures on Day X. Bearcat (talk) 02:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * If a standalone interview is published by a reliable source, I would say it's some indication of notability. That said, it seems it is yet to be published. buidhe 02:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Except that it's not. A person has to be the subject of a source before it assists in establishing notability, not a speaker in coverage of some other subject. Bearcat (talk) 02:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)


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