Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Francis Long


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The result was delete. --Core desat  03:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

John Francis Long

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Main assertion of notability is creation of video "Deep House"... which was "released" on MySpace. The rest... two self-published poetry books, one self-published music album, work as a production assistant etc. is very unnotable. Basically a vanity page. Herostratus 06:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:N. Self-promotion/vanity article. Kai A. Simon 13:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Simon, this is only self promotion if it is infact, 'self promotion'. This gentlemen hasbeen recognized by Wolfgang puck in several books & also was a consulting producer of Wolfgang Puck's televisioun show. There are articles that confirm. This clearly is not self promotion, because I ( robert swanson ) am not the subject.I have followed this man's career for some time & feel as if you are discriminating, because you don't this man's work on MTV or a the movies theatre. I understand what your saying, if this was a self promotion vanity article, however it clearly is not.} -- robert swanson ( aka: Clashique ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clashique (talk • contribs).
 * Kekekeke! clashique.com is the "MySpace Music" website of "John Long & Kevin Long," and your only contributions have been to this article and to add links to this person in other articles. What an amazing coincidence! Salad Days 00:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment. OK, then maybe it's not self-promotion; doesn't matter. Is the person notable? Connection with Wolfgang Puck is given as "served as a consulting producer for Puck's Emmy award winning television show, producing the celebrity chef's web site & Long is also acknowleged for his role in the creation of Pucks cook book... Through this work Long became a co-founder of Wolfgang Puck Worldwide". I don't know what a consulting producer is, but it means he worked on the production team. Even if he had been the producer his WP:BIO notability would be extremely questionable in my opinion. But consulting producer? We have to draw the line somewhere. Herostratus 17:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless problems with WP:N and WP:BIO can be fixed by end of this AfD Alf photoman 18:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment. Long is a known media guru, and intellectual who flirts with Hollywood. He has worked with John Sculley ( founder of the term 'PDA' ). Long is a media entrepreneur & information architect. Even without his relationship with Puck, he has done some incredible technology & media work. I've read some of his collaborations with Noam Chomsky. I've also read conceptual healthcare concepts developed with Richard Saul Wurman on Childhood Obesity. This biography of Long, only begins to uncover Long's body of work. His speeches & books represent a new type of ideal. To delete this entry is a step backwards for that which wikipedia is based upon. If Long didn't exist, I would agree with having it be deleted. However, I'm continually learning about new work, patents, stories, speeches & concepts that 'Long' has created and he is operationally applying a theory known as the 'digerati principle', with a patent known as 'rotary 23' a three dimensional super imposed image for communication being developed at the Sloan Institute at M.I.T. I suggest, you permanently defer deletion & begin to consider following Long's work.  comment was added by Clashique (talk • contribs).
 * Ah, well, I'm glad you at least concede that if Long didn't exist the article should be deleted... as for the rest, why isn't any of this in the article, and sourced? The whole thing sounds fishier and fishier to me. Herostratus 02:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as an almost totally unsourced vanity page. Subject gets a feeble 97 google hits (less than me!), and would require a vast amount of work to properly source the claims made, an effort which the author apparently is unwilling to do. Salad Days 00:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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