Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Frederick Brill


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep - as the notability of the mural is not questioned in this particular AfD (the only argument for deletion that applies to both is the number of Google hits, which is not a valid argument for keeping or deleting anything), the real decision seems to be whether to merge or not, which AfD does not govern. Editors are free to pursue that if they wish as normal, or to make a joint AfD nomination for both articles which does question the notability of the mural. --Sam Blanning(talk) 17:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

John Frederick Brill

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Nom & vote... ... Del on this n-n war-casualty muralist, whose work is lost or decrepit, and who gets GTest
 * 28 of about 131 for "Bardia Mural" -wikipedia -infobox

of which many are garbles or apparent copies from WP. ...Del, unless Merged with Bardia Mural. They are indeed just two angles on one topic, erroneously made each an article, and if the mural is judged notable, merge is a good outcome. The merge would also support a clearer and more orderly consideration of whether the merged Bardia Mural should be deleted for n-n -- which i think it should be, tho that is less screamingly obvious than with the bio. --Jerzy•t 04:15, 25 & 21:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's worse than that... 10 non-Wikipedia ghits of which 4 are from Commons, 3 are from message boards and the rest aren't reliable. Fails WP:BIO and WP:V. MER-C 04:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep & Cleanup Keep unless Merged This may be a situation where the whole story is greater than the sum of the parts. Individually the mural and the man are not clearly notable though interesting, but the combination of the two and the circumstances of his artistry and death during El Alamein are to me a fascinating and notable story.  Applying the notability guidelines requires some good judgment -- this will be a great story in 100 years, when many of our current "notables" will be irrelevant.
 * At minimum this should be maintained as a redirect to Bardia Mural --Kevin Murray 18:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * WP is for knowledge that is presently notable, not about what we think is "interesting", nor an archive of what we think will become notable. But i do find it reasonable to merge with Bardia Mural, without prejudice to any processes for the deletion of the merged article, and have changed my vote accordingly. --Jerzy•t 21:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My but you are strict! But since we are now on the same page, I look forward to a spirited discussion at Bardia Mural.  Thanks! --Kevin Murray 22:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge & Cleanup; as stated, they are very similar & neither has a lot of specific information that wouldn't be affected if the articles were merged. SkierRMH 05:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.