Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Gudenus


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Jayjg (talk) 02:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

John Gudenus

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Thinly sourced BLP that currently fails criteria for inclusion under WP:BLP1E  Gazi moff  13:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep As a former member of the Federal Council of Austria he would seem to pass WP:POLITICIAN. --Chris Johnson (talk) 13:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:POLITICIAN. Joe Chill (talk) 21:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If they are a politician, it needs sourcing accurately sourcing per WP:V. Additionally, exceptional claims (holocaust denial) require exceptional sources i.e. more than one. Many thanks,  Gazi moff  22:16, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The source in the article verifies it. He's not a politician. He is a former politician, but he still pases the WP:POLITICIAN criteria: "People who have held international, national or first-level sub-national political office, including members of a legislature and judges." (Which Chris Johnson already brought up). There are plenty more sources in this Google News search that verifies it also. Here is another source that verifies holocaust denial. Joe Chill (talk) 22:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If they are valid sources, they need to be added to the article and not just listed here. Many thanks,  Gazi moff  17:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This Google News search verifies the holocaust denial with lots of sources. Joe Chill (talk) 22:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - I think he's marginally notable, per WP:POLITICIAN but this article will always suffer from WP:UNDUE issues and I don't think we'll ever be in a position to balance it out. Rght now, it seems to only exist to say 'zOMG holocaust denier!!' and little else - A l is o n  ❤ 22:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * keep Meets WP:POLITICIAN. There's no undue weight issue if the sourcing happens to focus on issues with him surrounding holocaust denial. By definition, something is undue weight if the weight doesn't reflect the weight of sourcing available. That's not an issue here. JoshuaZ (talk) 22:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to point out that while the English language sources almost exclusively focus on the Holocaust denial issue, I'm sure the German sources provide a more complete picture of his political career. He was the equivalent of a senator; there have to be articles about his campaign and early days in office.  I'm just not linguistically competent to find them. --Chris Johnson (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, then that's an editorial issue not an issue for AfD. JoshuaZ (talk) 23:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions.  —Chris Johnson (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep as a member of a national parliament. This is not even remotely borderline. Other factors about his career are irrelevant here. We have considerable experience in  editing even difficult articles. The principle that a member of parliament is notable is so well established that I am cannot follow the logic of the nomination.    DGG ( talk ) 02:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:Politician isn't at stake here - I agree that if it's a sourced fact then it's completely valid. But having a controversial BLP reliant on a single source that itself is part of a European roundup just isn't right. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. I there are other sources out there, they need to be added. Many thanks,  Gazi moff  17:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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