Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Hais Hardee Jr.


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  13:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

John Hais Hardee Jr.

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No evidence of notability. Seems to be part of an attempt to write a family history, where some members are notable, some borderline, and some like this one have no actual claim to notability. Perhaps an article on the Hardee family would be better, with this then as a redirect, but as a standalone article it just doesn't make the cut. Sources are primary or involved (written by family members), and looking for better sources gave no useful results. Fram (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC) Keep. Sufficiently notable, unless a major in the U.S. Army is not notable. Seasider53 (talk)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Military,  and Georgia (U.S. state). Fram (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A major is indeed not considered automatically notable. Fram (talk) 13:17, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't have perfect visibility to the sources, but the sources I can access indeed appear to either discuss the family in the aggregate (ref #2) or to be non-independent (ref #5 has same surname, ref #6 starts with "..my grandfather.."). As for 's argument, military rank alone (let alone a rank as relatively low as a major) is not sufficient to establish notability. See WP:NSOLDIER. Search engines are giving me only the standard non-reliable sources (geni, legacy, findagrave etc.) I'll happily change my vote if someone can identify actual notability establishing coverage, but at the moment I'm not seeing it. Ljleppan (talk) 13:33, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , thank you. We live and learn. Seasider53 (talk) 13:35, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete we used to consider that all holders of at least the rank of brigadier general (in the US system, other systems use different names) were notable. We have since decided even that was not a justified inclusion standard. Majors are way, way, way, way below the inclusion critieria. Wikipedia is not the place to post the family history research you have done on one of your ancestors, unless they are clearly meeting inclusion criteria. Wikipedia is not an alternative to Ancestry or several other sites that allow you to post information on your family. That is no our purpose.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * How many wrong conclusions can you jump to in one paragraph? A lot, apparently. Seasider53 (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Hardee is not listed in Heitman's "Historical Register and Dictionary of the U.S. Army," which is an extremely inclusive list of all officers commissioned in the army between 1789 and 1902. The son, William, is listed, but neither John Jr. nor John Sr. are listed. This does not preclude their being commissioned in a state militia, but it's pretty definitive when it comes to the Regular Army (regardless of commissioning source). So even if majors were considered notable (and they aren't), the rank can't be verified using a standard secondary source. Intothatdarkness 23:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete No claim of notability. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  07:14, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Falls well short of notability standards. It appears this may also be the case for several other articles about members of the Hardee family and their former family plantation. Best, GPL93 (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BASIC. Mztourist (talk) 04:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


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