Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Hemphill (actor)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Lourdes  01:37, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

John Hemphill (actor)

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Doesn't meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 15:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

I am the guy who put the article in. I assume I can respond here but if not, advise and I will move it. I do not know why but John keeps getting ignored. If you look at the article on the show Maniac Mansion it has a discussion about Harry the Fly and yet it never says who plays him. Makes no sense. He was a semi regular on SCTV yet does not appear there. He is on almost every episode of Schitt's Creek and does not appear on the description of it. I think there is actually a chicken and egg problem Because he does not have a page, he is not mentioned. Because he is not mentioned you are considering it for deletion. It becomes a grave injustice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspur (talk • contribs) 20:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, a person has to be the subject of enough reliable source coverage in media to clear a notability standard. That said, there is a decent notability claim here that would pass WP:NACTOR — see 5th Canadian Screen Awards/Television/Actors/Supporting Actor, Comedy — but no article can ever claim anything about its subject that inherently exempts the article from having to be properly referenced (which this isn't.) I will take a stab at cleaning it up later this evening or tomorrow — I can't right this minute, as I have to go out for a while shortly — but I want to be clear that it does need to be written and referenced better than this before it can be considered keepable. Inclusion in Wikipedia is conditional on sourceability, and is never an entitlement that anybody gets just for existing. Bearcat (talk) 23:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've gotten the article up to a standard that, while it still needs further expansion, is at least written neutrally and cites proper sources. Keep. Bearcat (talk) 00:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep. Notability is obvious through referenced sources. Icarus of old (talk) 12:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

He also has a credited part 'Drunk at Party' in Adventures in Babysitting if you want further references. Obviously I want it kept. Hotspur. —Preceding undated comment added 17:03, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
 * We don't necessarily care about roles so minor that the character wasn't even given a name. Only certain types of roles count as notability claims at all, and "Drunk at Party" represents the kind that doesn't. Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

John was there. He was there at Second City before the series and he was in the series. He was clumsily performing with Martin Short, John Candy, Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy at the beginning. He has been behind the scene directing and producing skit comedy pretty well forever. Yes he is eclipsed by them but he is a treasure of history and continuity. He is one of those people once you notice in things he grow to appreciate much more. Hotpsur July 25, 2017.
 * This isn't really a helpful comment. We keep or delete articles on the basis of whether a credible notability claim can or cannot be sourced to adequate reliable source coverage in media, not just whether the person was "there" or not. I've already improved the article to a more keepable standard, so it's not necessary to keep rhapsodizing about your personal appreciation of him as a performer — it's the article's content that will get it kept or deleted, not anybody's personal feelings one way or the other about his talent. Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Here is his IMDb CV Schitt's Creek (TV Series) Bob Currie - Friends & Family (2017) ... Bob Currie - Stop Saying Lice! (2017) ... Bob Currie - Sebastien Raine (2017) ... Bob Currie - General Store (2017) ... Bob Currie - Driving Test (2017) ... Bob Currie - 17 episodes 2008-2011 Little Mosque on the Prairie (TV Series) George Wispinski / Alvin Wispinski - Brother, Can You Spare a Mosque? (2011) ... Alvin Wispinski - The Bid (2009) ... George Wispinski - Rules R Rules (2008) ... George Wispinski 2006 The Jane Show (TV Series) Janes Dad - Dave Black - Daddy's Home (2006) ... Janes Dad - Dave Black 2002-2006 Puppets Who Kill (TV Series) Good Ol' Joe / Curious Bob - Buttons and the Dying Wish Foundation (2006) ... Good Ol' Joe - Cuddles Gets Laid (2002) ... Curious Bob 2005 The Man Ted 2004/I New York Minute Tim Brooger 2002-2003 RoboRoach (TV Series) - Reggie's Eleven/Easter Charade (2003) ... (voice) - The Living Bro/The Fly Who Loved Me (2003) ... (voice) - Ubertrain (2003) ... (voice) - Spitting Images/Youth Juice (2003) ... (voice) - Club Dead/Omega Mites (2002) ... (voice) 2000 Relic Hunter (TV Series) Richard Ferguson - Emperor's Bride (2000) ... Richard Ferguson 2000 Power Play (TV Series) Dr. Eugene Tockette - The Quarter Finals (2000) ... Dr. Eugene Tockette 1998 Due South (TV Series) Van Zant's Cleaner - Dead Men Don't Throw Rice (1998) ... Van Zant's Cleaner 1998 Eerie, Indiana: The Other Dimension (TV Series) Freddie Foster - Last Laugh (1998) ... Freddie Foster 1997 Once a Thief (TV Series) Master Jamboree - It Happened One Night (1997) ... Master Jamboree 1997 Goosebumps (TV Series) Doctor / SWAT Team Leader - Don't Go to Sleep (1997) ... Doctor / SWAT Team Leader 1994 Sodbusters (TV Movie with Kris Kristofferson) Cole 1994 Hostage for a Day (TV Movie) 1990-1993 Maniac Mansion (TV Series) Harry the Fly - Uncle Harry Ain't Feeling So Good (1993) ... Harry the Fly (voice) - It Ain't Over 'Til Uncle Joe Sings (1993) ... Harry the Fly (voice) - Love Letters (1993) ... Harry the Fly (voice) - Idella's New Career (1993) ... Harry the Fly (voice) - Freddie Had a Little Lamb (1993) ... Harry the Fly (voice) - 65 episodes 1992 Partners 'n Love (TV Movie) Lloyd Peters 1988 The Second City Toronto 15th Anniversary (TV Movie) Johnny Prolongo 1988 The Best of SCTV (TV Movie) Committee Member / Happy Marsden 1988 Biographies: The Enigma of Bobby Bittman (TV Short) Buddy Phelps 1987 Goofballs Aldo 1987 Adventures in Babysitting Drunk at Party 1987 Really Weird Tales (TV Movie) Mervis Jutt segment (segment "I'll Die Loving") 1987 The Pink Chiquitas Ernie Bodine 1985 Workin' for Peanuts (TV Movie) Al 1983-1984  SCTV Channel (TV Series) Happy Marsden / Various / Johnny / ... - You're On/Happy Hour (1984) ... Happy Marsden - Celebrity Fairie Tayles/Canadian Gaffes and Practical Amusements (1984) ... Various - Jackie Rogers Jr for President/Happy Hour (1984) ... Happy Marsden - Half Wits/Save the World Parade (1984) ... Various - 2009, Jupiter and Beyond (1984) ... Johnny - 13 episodes 1982-1983 SCTV Network (TV Series) Various / Rocco's Lawyer / Computer Tech / ... - Midnight Cowboy II (1983) ... Rocco's Lawyer - South Sea Sinner (1983) ... Various - Sweeps Week (1983) ... Computer Tech - A Star Is Born (1983) ... Rocco's Lawyer (uncredited) - Towering Inferno (1982) ... Various (uncredited) - 12 episodes 1980 Bizarre (TV Series) Various Show Writer (4 credits) Show Director (1 credit) Hotspur (talk) 22:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)Hotspur July 31, 2017
 * Could you please cut it out? Listing his entire filmography isn't going to make a difference here either — we only care about roles that meet one of two conditions: either his performance got written about by media, or he won or got nominated for an award for it. Comprehensively listing every single role he ever had. all the way down to uncredited extra walk-ons, is not going to aid in demonstrating any additional notability above and beyond the roles that actually meet the conditions. And anyway, as of right now we have four keep votes (including from both you and me) and no actual deletes, so the article is not actually on track for deletion and you don't need to keep grasping at straws to save it. Bearcat (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep after improvements to the article, I see no case for deletion. Power~enwiki (talk) 02:13, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


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