Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Hewko


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The result was delete and redirect to Rotary International. Randykitty (talk) 12:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

John Hewko

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A search for independent sources about this person hasn't revealed anything very promising. Appears to fail WP:GNG. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hewko is CEO and Secretary General of Rotary International, the organization with 1.220.000 members and usd 100.000.000 budget.
 * https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=62168802&privcapId=211309 Bloomberg
 * https://www.eurasia.org/People/john-hewko Eurasia Foundation
 * https://carnegieendowment.org/experts/115
 * http://www.forbes.com/sites/devinthorpe/2014/03/29/john-hewko-head-of-rotary-explains-polios-legacy/amp/ Forbes
 * Hope this if enough? --Perohanych (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * None of those sources appear to be independent of the subject (I thought the Bloomberg one might be at first, but the "request update" link at the bottom of the page suggests not). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The "request update" link at the bottom of the Bloomberg's page does not mean that Bloomberg does not make fact-checking of proposals for update.
 * What about Forbes?
 * Google Search shows 160.000 results
 * --Perohanych (talk) 08:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The Forbes source is an interview. I clicked through 11 pages of Google results without finding any significant coverage, and then it told me that was the end of the results, so I'm not sure where the rest of the supposed 160,000 are. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * In WP:IV one can read: «At the other end are interviews that show a depth of preparation, such as those that include a biography.» The Forbes source is a kind of an interview that at the second part includes the Hewko's bio. --Perohanych (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It is also imрortant that the interviewer is a recognized journalist — Devin Thorpe, Bestselling Author, Educator and Speaker. Just search for Devin Thorpe in Wikipedia --Perohanych (talk) 15:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please also consider, that John Hewko is the Chief Executive Officer and General Secretary of Rotary International, one of the world’s largest service and humanitarian organizations with 35,000 clubs throughout the world, and of its foundation, The Rotary Foundation. He oversees the operations of both entities and manages a combined operating budget of over $400 million and assets of more than $1 billion. — John Hewko: General Secretary/CEO – Rotary International and The Rotary Foundation,  Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation --Perohanych (talk) 15:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , you've been editing Wikipedia long enough to know that notability is judged by coverage in reliable, independent sources, not by operating budgets. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * , you are right, I've been editing Wikipedia for 13 years, made 100.000+ edits, started 3.200+ articles (mainly in Ukrainian Wikipedia). English is not my native language, and it is not easy for me to take part in the discussion and to write articles in English. I am deeply assured, that a person who for several years operates staff and assets of the hudge RI empire, a person who is interviewed by Forbes and other worldwide media, satisfies WP:GNG. I am also sure, that you are not cordless :) Please help me to improve the article, to find reliable, independent sources for the article. --Perohanych (talk) 02:59, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned above, I have already searched for reliable, independent sources and didn't find any significant coverage. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The Forbes piece isn't valuable to establish notability because its a.) an interview and b.) written by a contributor and not Forbes' editorial staff. Praxidicae (talk) 17:39, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The interview shows a depth of preparation and includes a biography. The interviewer is a recognized journalist. See above! --Perohanych (talk) 15:31, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The biography looks like it's been cut and pasted in to me. I doubt that the journalist wrote it. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:34, 15 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete I had planned to nominate this yesterday but forgot. He is not independently notable and I'm not convinced his position in RI is notable itself. Praxidicae (talk) 17:39, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Is CEO of Wikimedia Foundation independently notable? Budget of WMF is the same as RI, assets of RI are much bigger, history is much longer. --Perohanych (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Let me know when their website is in the top 5 most visited and used sites in the world. This isn't even remotely a valid argument. Try again. But by all means, if you want to delete Jimmy Wales, please send it right on over to AFD. I'll grab the popcorn. Praxidicae (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not mean Jimbo, but Katherine Maher --Perohanych (talk) 20:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - heads a very large, well established organization and the general public may want to look him up. Admitteddly, the number of sources is borderline, but I don't think that Forbes interviews just anybody. Pundit | utter  03:43, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a directory for heads of companies or CEOs. You cannot substantiate an entire BLP with "he works for xyz." Praxidicae (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Rotary International is not just a company. It's a worldwide movement with more than one million people, which inter alia almost defeated poliomyelitis on our planet. And Ivan Hevko do not just "works for RI", he leads RI. --Perohanych (talk) 03:48, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Praxidicae I think your argument is valid, we should not be a phone book, and we should not promote CEOs' egos. However, It seems that Rotary International is not a company, but a really large NGO, operating in 200 countries, with 1.2 million individual members, which makes it one of the largest non-religious membership movements. The question, of course, is how many largest NGOs deserve detailed coverage and bios for their CEOs. I'd say that probably not more than top 100 per budget, membership, or some other criteria are a safe bet. I don't have any data to support that, but my best guess that RI would satisfy this criterion because of its wide membership. Pundit | utter  07:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * You seem to be making an argument based on the fact that it's core mission is "good" but Wikipedia is not a soapbox. No one is contesting the notability of Rotary International, so I'm not sure what your argument is here about the organization itself but even so, notability is not inherited. Being a member or working for a notable organization doesn't make an individual notable. Praxidicae (talk) 17:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not sure, but I have heard, that there is a criteria for majors of cities - number of people who live in the city. Am I right? --Perohanych (talk) 05:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to make an argument for his notability under WP:NPOL? Because I can assure you he does not meet that. Praxidicae (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, at the very least shouldn't there be a redirect made to Rotary International if this isn't kept? Coolabahapple (talk) 05:11, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd have no problem with that, . Cordless Larry (talk) 09:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * cool:)) Coolabahapple (talk) 14:53, 19 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete and Redirect Fails WP:GNG due to a lack of sustained WP:SIGCOV, but could be a reasonable search term, so after deletion create a redirect to Rotary International. Newshunter12 (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. Barca (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.