Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Hildebrandt


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The result was   delete. One (talk) 10:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

John Hildebrandt

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Autobiography of non-notable person. R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 03:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. So agreed. The only notable thing in the article, the park for Janusz Żurakowski, is already mentioned in that article. Drmies (talk) 03:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Township mayors are not notable by default. Nothing in this article indicates how this person satisfies WP:BIO. Ohconfucius (talk) 04:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per humanoid, Janus and confucius I am unable to locate significant coverage in WP:RS. The ref's in the article are not sufficient in depth or in number to satisfy WP:N. They do not support the content at the present moment. Perhaps someone can locate and cite sufficient sourcing?  Dloh  cierekim  16:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does say how they satisfy WP:BIO. He is a mayor and that fits under wikipedias description of a notable person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisley844 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Mayors like Michael Bloomberg are notable. Mayors of (7 year old) townships with a population of 4,381 are very unlikely to be notable. -- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 19:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mayors are likely to be notable. Notability hinges on having "received significant press coverage." I am unable to locate this. What would be needed would be to get into the archives of a local paper or other medium that can provide references we can cite. Mentions in a province-wide paper or the paper of the provincial capital would be better. Coverage needs to be as in depth as possible-- more than a passing reference, though those can add up if there are enough of them. Every fact in the article should be backed by a reliable source. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  20:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:POLITICIAN. Mayors are likely to be notable, if their articles are properly sourced, but they're not inherently notable just for being mayors. The references still gotta be there. Bearcat (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Um actually for your information the township is 75 years old. Dont talk about something you dont know about. --Paisley844 (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you please stop with the nasty comments? I quote from Madawaska_Valley,_Ontario: "Madawaska Valley is a township in Renfrew County, Ontario, Canada. It has a population of 4,381. It was formed on January 1, 2001." -- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 20:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I was actually talking about Renfrew County. Misunderstanding. The township of Madawaska Valley was formed in 2001 however Renfrew County has been along for at least 75 years. Barrys bay has had a local government for a long time.

Here are some links to the newspapers he have been in. Of course, it is very difficult to get all of them because he has been in numerous papers. Some of them I could not find online so I listed the dates, pages, and newspaper. I am also sorry for being kind of snappy. This means a lot to me and I will be devestated if this doesn't work out. I am very emotional about this and it means the world to me. Sorry for any rude things I may have said.
 * Ottawa Citizen - October 26th 2008, A8-A9, The First Rule of Hunt Camp, Don't talk about Hunt Camp added link for this cite.
 * Comment This newspapers's mention of him is that every November, he "gathers to hunt, drink beer and bond in the bush." Is this what you consider notable coverage?-- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 17:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Leader, Eganville, Ontario- November 19th 2008, Page 5, Madawaska Valley receives award for Buy Local challenge. added link for this
 * The Daily Observer, Pembroke, Ontario, Tuesday September 2nd 2008, Incentive guarantees Madawaska Valley are a family physician added link for this
 * The Leader, Eganville, Ontario, October 29th 2008, Madawaska Valley win tour adds to the bigger picture
 * The Leader, Eganville, Ontario, Wednesday August 9th 2006, The entire paper, Path of Destruction
 * Many, Many articles in Barry's Bay this week and the Eganville Leader. If you would like I could list them but it would be pages long.--Paisley844 (talk) 22:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Links would be lovely. Also, these need to be in the article. Would suggest citing the content as I've done with a couple of sources-- just follow my lead. If no link available, just use the publication info. This would not be the place to put the numerous cites. In the article, you probably cannot have too many.  Dloh  cierekim  22:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Local, parochial newspapers are filled with stories about local people. Were he the cover story of the township newspaper everyday for a year, I'm not sure this would have any meaning.-- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 00:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I cannot find links to the direct articles, just the newspapers. Should I put those on? I also listed some newspaper recognitions on the page, is this alright? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paisley844 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, they should be in a section called "Sources." But yes, they need to be in the article. Any media from which you got the information should be cited, preferably with inline cites as I have done in the article. Cheers,   Dloh  cierekim  22:40, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


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Why Did a whole bunch of the stuff I wrote get deleted. It was good information?.--Paisley844 (talk) 14:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Please place comments like this on the article's discussion page. And the edit summaries under the history tab answer your question. -- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 15:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep, speedy keep Paisley844 has jumped through all of the required hoops, by providing references which meet and exceed WP:N. Many of these sources which Paisley844 provided are readily available in a simple google search of "John Hildebrandt" and "Madawaska". It is troubling that the nominator and three editors for deletion did not take the time to examine this themselves, before Paisley844 did. Paisley844 seems to genuinely want to make this a satisfactory, deletion proof article (if that is possible). Nominator, please close this AfD. travb (talk) 10:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Current version at this moment is uncited, which is puzzling, as I added to cites from relabale sources that supported the the then content. In any event, when I last edited the article, it still did not have sufficient third party sourcing to establish meeting the requirement for non trivial coverage.  Dloh  cierekim  13:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The article does not appear close to satisfying WP:N. There is nothing verified here, and the material does not appear noteworthy, even were it to be verified. -- R andom H umanoid ( &rArr; ) 18:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure this fits any speedy keep criteria. Protonk (talk) 20:26, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep if significant references can be added; delete if they can't. Just like all mayors. Bearcat (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


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