Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John J. Palmer


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The result was keep. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 21:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

John J. Palmer
This would have been an A7 candidate if it'd been caught when it was added. It's been around for 9 months or so, however, so rather than speedying it, I'm taking it to AFD. The subject is non-notable. His claim to fame is that, via a vanity press, he's self-published a single book about homebrewing beer. He also has a website with the text of his book on it. Pretty much a bog-standard non-notable bio. Ξxtreme Unction |yakkity yak 04:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep My first instinct would have been to agree with the deletion, until I checked the book. A how-to-book on brewing beer at home that has an Amazon rank around 11,000 seems pretty good (surprising actually), and there seem to be multiple reviews of it. I'd say he qualifies as a notable author. Fan-1967 04:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Week keep per above. 9,280 ghits and an alexa rank (albiet not very good). Ultra-Loser Talk 05:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BIO. Eusebeus 16:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * weak keep per Fan-1967 and Ultra-Loser. --mathewguiver 21:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm the original author of the page so obviously I'm biased, but I'll argue against two points above.  1) Fails WP:BIO:  Mr. Palmer is a published author with multiple independent reviews of his work.  You may not know who he is, but he certainly is respected and very well known in the homebrewing community.  I met him this weekend at the Great American Beer Festival.  He was a featured author and was signing books with many other authors, including Charlie Papazian.  Again, you may not have heard of him, but he is obviously important enough that they put him on show for 25,000+ people.  2) Brewer's Publications is a vanity press?  They publish all of Mr. Papazian's books. --Stangbat 01:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The book is respected and widely used, the author is notable. MattHucke(t) 13:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


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