Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John J. Sullivan (military)


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The result was delete. Peter 14:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

John J. Sullivan (military)

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Unsourced bio does not seem to meet WP:N or WP:V. Gilliam 07:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC) *Weak Keep The article is definitely problematic for POV. I'm going to agree with David, the sheer volume of semi-notable accomplishments would qualify him as notable. I'm primarily looking at his military career in this regard. It needs to have source issue fixed asap to avoid future Afd though. Horrorshowj 19:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC) He is currently the AAC chairman as previously pointed out. The "Commanding Officer, Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, SC, the base was selected in worldwide competition as the best installation in the Marine Corps and received the prestigious Commander-in-Chief’s Award for Installation Excellence. " appears legit based on these although the latter is bordering on hagiography so I'm a little leery of considering it a reputable source for much else.
 * Delete, no evidence of notability from independent sources. Slight possibility of some domain notability but we should have sources to tell us. --Dhartung | Talk 09:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete He had a military career and is an advocate of Christianity. No indication he satisfies WP:BIO. And if he is a Christian teacher, why is he tagged as "military?" The article focuses on his religion rather than saying he is notable for having a military career (without any sources). The tone is POV and inappropriate, but that could be fixed by editing. Sounds like a fine fellow, but Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia with articles about every fine fellow. Edison 18:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 02:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. In terms of WP:PROF, he's non-notable. But the article lists a lot of other somewhat-notable accomplishments, and the sheer quantity of them pushes them pushes this over the threshold for me. It has no sources, but what little I searched for did check out (e.g. Appalachian Athletic Conference really does list him, with "Col.", as its commissioner). —David Eppstein 16:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete There are numerous issues with this article. The bio was cut and pasted from Sullivan's bio page on the Servantleader Ministries page by an anonymous user with IP Address 66.169.86.92. The same user added notes and links to Sullivan's book and entry under servant leadership. There was already a John J Sullivan entry which pertained to a Massachusetts Democrat. 66.169.86.92 replaced that article with the text of this on and also changed the John Sullivan (disambiguation) to add John J. Sullivan, "author, teacher, leadership consultant, fighter pilot, commissioner". I'd say the c&p qualified as a potential copyright issue, but unsurprisingly whois reveals 66.169.86.92 to originate in Asheville, NC the same city as Servantleader Ministries.

Unfortunately, several other points aren't so good. Comparing his military and civilian bio's makes it obvious his position for the F/A-18 Hornet acquisition is overstated. The only one of his "numerous papers" etc I'm able to find any record of was published in the Marine Gazette. His book is self published, and I'm not finding anything that makes the book notable online.

Recommend deletion. Not only does he not meet verifiable notability guidelines, but this appears to be nothing more than an attempt to pump up book sales.

Disclosure: I'm a liberal Dem, but I really did try to save the article from deletion. I was going to change my vote to neutral until I found out about the IP address and overwrite. Horrorshowj 22:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


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