Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Jay Center


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Exemplo347 (talk) 09:33, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

John Jay Center

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Campus building at Robert Morris University. Article cites no sources, and apparently has not done so since its creation. Per article, building was once the school's primary indoor athletic facility, but is no longer so; and has a capacity of 1,000, which doesn't make it sound like it was a major sports venue. Google search for ("john jay center" "robert morris") turns up passing mentions but no in-depth coverage; Google News search for the same terms yields only six hits, none of which provide sufficient coverage to establish notability. Unless all college basketball facilities are automatically considered notable, this appears to fail WP:GNG. Ammodramus (talk) 19:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Consensus is that Division I college basketball venues are notable, and this was once a Division I college basketball venue. It no longer is, but Notability is not temporary. So it's still notable. Smartyllama (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per Smartyllama, and also because sources are apparent in searches.  Google, for example, shows several sources about the arena from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette at Newspapers.com.  Unfortunately, because they're in the "Publisher Extra" section they're only partially readable without an extra subscription not covered by Wikipedia's deal with Newspapers.com.  Nevertheless coverage exists, and apparently includes a story about the university's president was already saying in 1969 that the Jay Center arena was already too small.   --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Robert Morris University campus buildings. We are too inclusive with some campus buildings. No sources, I don't see anything except mentions in passing. Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is a local, city-wide media that generally is not sufficient for establishing notability. "Consensus is that Division I college basketball venues are notable" - where is that consensus? I lived in Pittsburgh, btw, this was a small local university of little importance. Preserving this OR (?) in a list seems the best we should do without better sources. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Robert Morris has a student body population comparable to Dartmouth College. It has an out-of-state students percentage of about 20%, which is only slightly less than the University of Pittsburgh across town. It's hardly a "small local university of little importance." Smartyllama (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Robert Morris University. Fails WP:GNG. What policy says there should be an article on a 1000 seat stadium that is not notable. Campus buildings can be mentioned in the article on the university, where some basic info could go with just primary sources. Keep a redirect. MB 04:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:02, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Robert_Morris_University; not independently notable. A merge is not necessary since the article lists no sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:30, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Upon googling this I found multiple third party sources talking about this arena that would meet notability per WP:GEOFEAT. A consensus was made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball a few years ago that all D1 basketball arenas are notable. You can see at WikiProject College Basketball/Master Table there is a list of all articles for each school. EVERY school in D1 basketball has an article for its arena. If this is to be deleted it would be the only D1 school without an article for its basketball arena which doesn't seem right and could cause issues in some of the basketball templates that link to the arena articles.Mjs32193 (talk) 13:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a former Division I arena, not a current one. Nonetheless, notability is not temporary. If it were notable when it was in use as a Division I arena, it still is. Smartyllama (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


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