Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John K. King Books


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Sufficiently expanded and sourced to show notability. (non-admin closure) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

John K. King Books

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A small (three-store) bookstore chain in the Detroit area. Contested prod.


 * There are 16 results in Google News Archive. Fifteen are passing references, mostly from local publications. One is actually from a classified ad, several others appear in "community announcement"-type event bulletin boards, and there are a few passing references in various travel guides. There is a single article in a local publication about one of the branches possibly closing. There's also a Detroit News article (no longer online) about the bookstore cutting prices in the recession - a routine, run-of-the-mill business-news type story.


 * There are some hits on Google Books, but all are directories and similar with the exception of a single paragraph in a single book - which is poetic but (1) doesn't contain any real encyclopedia information and (2) is mostly about the building the bookstore is located in and not about the store itself.

It's apparently a local favorite, and is worthy of inclusion on Wikitravel or similar but is not encyclopedic. Neutralitytalk 16:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable per WP:ORG. Lacks multiple independent references. NJ Wine (talk) 01:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Well-known independent book store.  In addition to the plentiful Michigan coverage (you get more results if you search <"King Books" Detroit>), examples of out-of-area coverage include a 1999 AP feature that ran in papers around the country e,g., a 2002 Knight-Ridder feature, a substantial mention in a 2005 New York Times sports column,, a brief mention in Forbes. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I created a sandbox for this article, with some notes on possible refs.  I think a few may be mentioned above already.  Please feel free to edit/improve: User:Eclipsed/John K. King Books.  Thanks.  -- Eclipsed (talk) (COI Declaration) 20:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and here are the refs used on the draft so far, in no particular order. Some look good, but some may be minor mentions:


 * Cheers.  -- Eclipsed (talk) (COI Declaration) 19:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Sufficient sources showing above + in the piece. I really, really hate glossed footnotes, by the way. They're spamtastic. Just insert the footnote where it belongs with pub info and a link if available, don't dump a verbatum quote of the source into the footnote. Carrite (talk) 06:51, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * With respect, I see that differently. MOS:REF: "A footnote may also contain a relevant exact quotation from the source, if this may be of interest (this is particularly useful if the source is not easily accessible)."  Especially since some of the sources that Eclipsed supplied are marked as subscription or deadlink, the inclusion of quotes is helpful, and xe deserves thanks for the additional effort. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The effect here is promotional, that's the key thing. We won't get into the separate issue of the lack of democracy and obsessive-compulsive neuroses behind the loathsome MOS. Carrite (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, interesting discussion. But maybe better to continue on Talk:John K. King Books.  (And sorry to add another tangent, but see User:Eclipsed/AT5 citations for another example of annotations)  Thanks.  -- Eclipsed (talk) (COI Declaration) 21:29, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep The new version from Eclipsed is clearly notable Woz2 (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Notable used bookstore in Detroit - the largest used bookstore in Michigan, by one account, with over a million books in their main store. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 06:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.