Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Kinsella (criminal)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost (talk) 09:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

John Kinsella (criminal)

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I'm not sure the subject meets WP:CRIMINAL. Although he seems to have plenty of coverage in reliable sources, most of it is from regional sources, and in relation to his non-notable crimes and death. Adam9007 (talk) 00:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete, does not fulfill either of the criteria mentioned in WP:CRIMINAL. Is not "a renowned national or international figure" and the motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is not "unusual". The same is true for his associate, Paul Massey (gangster), which is currently not flagged for deletion, but could be deleted for the same reason. --Reinoutr (talk) 11:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment His murder seems to be a key in taking down the EncroChat network. This article provides context. References in the Kinsella and EncroChat articles attest that. Knowing who he was and who he was associated with, helps understanding the type of users that EncroChat had, that motivated a major police operation that led to hundreds of arrests. Afrachel (talk) 15:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep meets general notability with multiple independent national and local sources reporting on the subject in multiple events. SFB 15:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Widely covered criminal and victim. Multiple stories in the Independent and the BBC, for example.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough  18:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC).


 * Keep per SFB, and especially per Afrachel on EncroChat, which is a currently unfolding notable topic. John Kinsella's murder event is connected to early publicly attested mentions of EncroChat in reliable sources. Salpynx (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as said above, his murder is relevant to the EncroChat investigation. The article provides context and is supported by both local and national news, including the BBC and The Times. Alcaios (talk) 16:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - good sourcing. per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 11:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)


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