Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Krebs (racing driver)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. T. Canens (talk) 03:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

John Krebs (racing driver)

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Declined PROD. Article is one sentence, does not indicate notability substantial enough for Wikipedia (having "notably" in the article doesn't count if it doesn't have reliable sources).  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 01:14, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 01:14, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator: While I still do not believe that one crash makes one notable, as almost every amateur driver would be considered notable, work done on the page has now resulted in a sufficient proving of WP:GNG.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 18:44, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep but revamp entirely. Per Racing-Reference, Krebs is a 15-year NASCAR Cup Series veteran. That alone is enough to establish notability. That being said, the article obviously needs more substance. I'll take a look tomorrow and see what I can do to bulk it up. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 01:52, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Article about NASCAR. I find that the person (John Krebs) is notable person but we can't find enough reliable sources to cover his article. I think merging the article with a biggest article is the best option. Forest90 (talk) 01:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I think it's a bit premature to say "We can't find enough reliable sources to cover his article." Like I said, I'll see what I can find tomorrow. If we do choose to merge and redirect, however, I'd say List of NASCAR drivers would be more appropriate. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete and Oppose redirect/merge to NASCAR since there's no content in the article worth keeping. There's is nothing to merge, and the NASCAR article shouldn't have content about individual drivers anyhow (except possibly a little on the sanctioning body's all time greats). One sentence does not make an article. The top 3 NASCAR series are considered professional drivers per WP:NMOTORSPORT so he's easily notable enough to pass the general motorsports notability standards. No prejudice against creating an article article. It's easy to find content about him since he has 19 starts in 15 seasons in NASCAR's top series.  Royal broil  19:39, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I have just gone in and beefed it up a little bit (it's still a stub, but well-referenced stubs are better than nothing imho). I will try to add a results table tomorrow, but since it appears notability is not this issue, I hope this will be enough to warrant a keep. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 03:49, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep after the article became referenced. He easily passes WP:NMOTORSPORT. Thank you for work on the article, Bcschneider53!  Royal broil  01:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep because he is notable for flipping at Sonoma Raceway in 1994. 99721829Max (talk) 18:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete If flipping at Sonoma Raceway in 1994 is the main reason offered to keep this article, I don't think that's a good enough reason to keep an article. JimKaatFan (talk) 02:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not. He passes WP:NMOTORSPORT easily as a 15-year veteran of the highest level of professional stock car racing in America. The crash was simply the highlight (lowlight?) of his career and what he's most remembered for as a driver, but his notability is established on his Cup career as a whole. Max is right in saying he is notable but wrong for giving the flip as the main reason. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


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