Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Lee Dumas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Nom is CU blocked and there is clearly something fishy going on here on both side. No prejudice against speedy renomination. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:38, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

John Lee Dumas

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promotional article, questionable notability BodegaBiscuit (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete - self promotional article from subject of dubious notability. Much of the sourcing is weak and not subject-focused.50.245.177.163 (talk) 19:28, 2 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep- Dumas podcasts have received 70 million downloads with 1 million monthly listens. He has widely covered in all major high tier news sources including Forbes, Huffing Post, Inc Mag, Entrepreneur, Fast Company and several others. He is one of the prominent name for podcasting, my vote is definitely a keep for him.177.58.244.85 (talk) 20:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep: The above IP user 177 added new references to the article which seem to satisfy the notability criteria. The article has now around 20 references and a google search shows more. Dumas has been covered in Inc.com, Forbes and Entrepreneur (magazine) etc which are reliable sources. See.


 * The nominator's history is also shows their account is an undisclosed Paid account promoting Jordan Harbinger and they randomly nominated a few articles for deletion to build up a so called credibility. Another user has already reported them to WP:ANI and they made a point that the first vote from the IP 50 above is actually nom's IP with which they are double voting. The article they are promoting is already UPE infested. I doubt this was a good faith nomination of an otherwise OK article of a notable figure. This AFD should be dumped as WP:SNOW and UPE violation. --43.245.9.90 (talk) 09:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - forbes, inc and entrepreneur alone are not sources with sufficient editorial oversight to create notability on Wikipedia, especially as the above linked sources are contributor pieces, not staff writers. In other words, those pieces are written by marketers and bloggers and not journalists. I acknowledge that sources like these are often used to fill out details in an article such as this but we should not rely on these types of sources entirely for notability, especially with respect to WP:BLP. Thus, WP:SNOW doesn’t apply here. There is a genuine question surrounding subject’s notability.

I cannot comment on the good faith argument above, but I do wonder/speculate whether more than one person in this discussion might have an undisclosed COI with the subject of the article. 2600:387:6:80F:0:0:0:1E (talk) 16:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Taken to AfD by a new editor, defended/attacked by a slew of IPs... What is going on here?

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 18:40, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - This piece seems non-notable and puffery from accounts that likely have an undisclosed COI (or perhaps everyone's just so passionate about this one for another reason). I am not, and I do not see sources that are significant enough (and have enough real editorial oversight, as mentioned above) to justify an article as opposed to subject's inclusion on, for example, a list. Additionally, I agree, this situation is unusual. I've been editing for a few years and this is indeed an uncommon occurrence. And yes, I realize the irony of making this comment as an IP, but I am in the habit of editing "anonymously" for various reasons.38.140.129.42 (talk) 19:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep- Dumas is a major figure in the industry and definitely qualifies similar to Jordan Harbinger, whom nominator has updated the page. All major news sources lists him and is often covered frequently.115.178.100.18 (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - If subject "is a major figure in the industry and definitely qualifies" then adequate sources should be cited. The above claim that "all major news sources lists him" doesn't at all seem to agree with the sources listed in the article, most of which are contributor pieces or bloggy/clickfarm stuff. If subject is indeed covered frequently by all major news sources," then where are THOSE citations and sources and why are they absent in this article? I think we may need more editors here to get proper consensus. Further, I have trouble believing there is no COI here given the types of comments (including the nominator).  Further, pointing to another article that in itself might also not be notable or meet guidelines is not a defense for THIS article nor its subject. I’m happy to look at Jordan Harbinger as well, but to say 'one woman’s article isn’t good therefore this guy’s article should stay' is a race to the bottom for Wikipedia and it's a race none of us who have dedicated so much time to the project want to run. 76.234.230.37 (talk) 20:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.