Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Lefebvre


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The result was no consensus. Kurykh (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

John Lefebvre

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Delete. WP:BLP of a musician and entrepreneur, with no strong evidence of notability and no strong reliable sourcing -- except for a single news article from a wire service, this is otherwise parked entirely on primary sources like the subject's own blog, his own Twitter and his staff profile on the website of an organization he was on the board of. This is not the type of sourcing that it takes to make someone notable -- there's enough content here to deem him notable if he could be properly sourced over WP:GNG for it, but there's exactly nothing here that entitles him to an automatic inclusion freebie just because he exists. Bearcat (talk) 17:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Needs to be re-written - with a focus on Neteller, the gambling case, and the 100 million dollar forfeiture (the music? environment? Sure, can mention - but secondary). This was a major case involving circumvention, via online methods, of gambling laws in the US - and has garnered interest way after it was closed (the case itself - 2007), for instance this book - in 2014 - a whole 480 on Neteller & Lefebvre. Lefebvre clearly meets notability/notoriety (also for the post-Netteller stuff) - the article itself needs to be better sourced and written - as is it conceals the notoriety with quite a bit of fluff.Icewhiz (talk) 12:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - also I wouldn't list him as a musician (assuming the two releases didn't hit the charts). I'd mention he dabbled in music (and released whatever) - but not list him as a musician.Icewhiz (talk) 12:57, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" (WP:NEXIST) and there's enough sources out there. The article doesn't seem to me to contain anything contentious. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:18, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is only related to his fraud conviction, that's WP:ONEEVENT, etc. This is not enough to make him encyclopedic. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 05:11, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe he was convicted for illegal gambling and possibly money laundering, not fraud. Neteller was significant pre-conviction - Lefebvre. The conviction itself was super significant - both for the size of the forfeiture and for online circumvention of US gambling laws. And post-conviction he has continued to do some "noise" (music, advocacy, whatever) which generated some attention - he didn't fade back into normalcy.Icewhiz (talk) 06:07, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Neteller already has an article. But it's not a sufficiently important crime to warrant an article on the person, and there does not seem to be anything else. The article in addition is especially remarkable promotionalism  with absurd claims for importance, such as he "recorded a double CD album entitled ... with the help of the legendary record producer Brian Ahern, whose previous credits include producing records by Emmylou Harris, Marty Robbins, George Jones and Ricky Skaggs. This was John's first effort as a solo artists". That's a remarkably far stretch for inherited notability .  DGG ( talk ) 01:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. His role with Neteller is important and he has been the subject of a book by a reputable author. . Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:45, 11 April 2017 (UTC)


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