Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Leister (British Free Corps)


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The result was redirect to List of members of the British Free Corps. Interested readers may go from there to British Free Corps. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

John Leister (British Free Corps)

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Known only for one thing: being a Brit who fought for the Germans in WW2 and was tried and served 3 years for it. Does not satisfy guidelines for biographies. Wikipedia is not a directory of every soldier or every turncoat. Edison (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to British Free Corps. This guy falls short of WP:CRIME.  Surely he could be redirected to the article about the British Free Corps, as his conduct wasn't independently noteworthy?  North of Eden (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to List of members of the British Free Corps, where he is actually mentioned. He's too minor to appear in British Free Corps. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment No. If he is not notable on his own, he should not be in a "List of.." We do not list every soldier who fought in WW2, for instance, unless they are notable soldiers. Edison (talk) 13:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The point is that the BFC only had twenty-odd members! It's perfectly feasible to list them all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep 1. He appears 23 times in Adrian Weale. Renegades: Hitler's Englishmen. London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1994. ISBN 0-7126-6764-4, who describes him and Eric Pleasants as 'two of the more prominent characters in the BFC' 2. Not only was he a member of the BFC, he also served in the SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers - one of only three Englishmen to do so. 3. He also appears in Mark M Hull's 'Irish Secrets: German Espionage in Ireland, 1939-45', Christopher Ailsby's 'Hitler's renegades: foreign nationals in the service of the Third Reich', Theresa Murphy's 'The Old Bailey: Eight Centuries of Crime, Cruelty and Corruption' and Nigel Cawthorne's 'The Story of the SS' 4. As can be seen in List of members of the British Free Corps, many members of the Corps do not merit their own pages. I suggest that Leister is one who does. Alekksandr (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


 * REdirect - probably to the list article. Unfortunately that is constructed as a table in a way that does not make it easy to read.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The list article, like many other lists on Wikipedia, tries to convey multiple pieces of information (e.g. British rank, German rank, postwar sentence) about multiple people.Alekksandr (talk) 22:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect: G'day, I think that it would probably be best just to deal with the subject briefly (being careful not to breach WP:UNDUE) in the British Free Corps article, IMO. Equally, I'm a bit concerned that currently the article too closely paraphrases the Weale source: If kept, it probably needs to be rewritten in Wikipedia's own words with only sparing use of quotes (with proper attribution). Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect: per nom, but especially in light of the close paraphrase issue highlighted by AustralianRupert. Anotherclown (talk) 11:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


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