Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Madison


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. This is a snow delete and, fo0r all the articles except John Madison, also a G5 speedy deletion, as the articles were created by the blocked editor Mouauia rafii, using the sockpuppet Bradshaw Viscera (which was responsible for the only opposition to deletion in this discussion). John Madison was created by the same editor, and subsequently edited by the sockpuppet. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:57, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

John Madison

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Biography, referenced only to genealogies with no evidence of reliable source coverage about him as a person, of a person whose only claim of notability is being the father, grandfather and great-grandfather of much more notable people. Notability is not inherited, so a person does not get a Wikipedia article just to help fill out the genealogy of his most famous descendant -- but there's no content here to even suggest any other basis for notability at all, as it literally just documents the genealogy and then ends without actually saying anything else about him. Bearcat (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: I'm also adding Joseph Adams Sr. to this nomination. It makes the same "notable for purely genealogical reasons" claim for another ancestor of a president, so there's no pressing need for it to be considered separately from Madison. Bearcat (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Update - and two more. Agricolae (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  samee  converse  21:10, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  samee  converse  21:10, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions.  samee  converse  21:10, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete nothing about him rises to the level of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * No Delete This person is very important, he is the great-grandfather of the 4th President of the United States, James Madison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradshaw Viscera (talk • contribs) 22:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited. If a person doesn't have his own standalone notability claim in his own right for his own activities, then happening to be the great-grandfather of a president does not hand him a free exemption from having to be notable for any other reason besides that. Every single person who has ever lived could always claim some degree of genealogical relationship to somebody notable — so if being sourceable to a family genealogy as having a famous relative was all it took to exempt a person from having to attain notability for their own activities we'd just be a genealogy site and not an encyclopedia anymore. Bearcat (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTGENEALOGY - I have identical concerns to those raised by NOM over another of the creators new pages: Joseph Adams Sr. (no refs, only claim to notability is that he is great. . . grandfather of the presidents) Agricolae (talk) 12:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I've added it to the nomination accordingly. Bearcat (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, in that case I will add two more (Madison's father, Adams' son) solely genealogical entries. Agricolae (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes Delete- notability is not inherited, James Madison's ancestor's do not get a free pass for notability, see WP:NOTGENEALOGY--Rusf10 (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.