Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Makgotlo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I see a consensus here to delete, given the lack of in-depth sources about the subject. I am willing to undelete on request if any sources are located post-closure, so please drop a line on my talk page. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

John Makgotlo

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Fails WP:SOLDIER as a recipient of the Military Medal. Lettlerhello • contribs 22:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 22:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 22:28, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Retain: This person and associated award of the Military Medal is notable, because of South Africa's apartheid past.  John Makgotlo was one of five or six black South Africans decorated for bravery during WWII.  500 Military Medals were awarded to South Africans, but of those- only three were awarded to African members of South African forces - who were compelled to serve un-armed as drivers, cooks and stretcher-bearers. The South African government also distinctly neglected retaining adequate records regarding these acts of bravery by native South Africans - so any furthering of that record is essential. Farawayman (talk) 00:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:SOLDIER and lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 05:32, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:SOLDIER. Farawayman, please see WP:NOTTRUTH. Maybe some academics decide to write a military history book including a chapter on him, and then he will become notable...— Ad Meliora Talk∕Contribs 11:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - the medal is not so prestigious as to create automatic notability per WP:MIL. Bearian (talk) 20:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete BlueD954 (talk) 07:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I am with Farawayman here. It's not the medal itself that appears to make this notable, but the dearth of medals of any kind awarded to black South Africans. The NOTTRUTH argument also doesn't work for me, as this info is not made up, based on the source we do have - and Farawayman reasonably explains why there aren't further sources to be had.--Concertmusic (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - I added a source showing the award, but there's no indication that this was anything but a fairly common award. Shouldn't there be reporting otherwise? TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  21:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)


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