Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McPheters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Procedural close. Nominator has been blocked and no further support for deletion. The article can be renominated at any time. Spartaz Humbug! 06:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

John McPheters

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Recreation of a previously deleted page. Most of the sources talk about company, misses in-depth sources. Hulatam (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hulatam (talk) 15:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Moved from the Talk Page where I accidentally put it last week...

As the creator of the page I am obviously not thrilled with the idea of having spent several hours researching and creating an article for it to be deleted. This is not a re-creation of a deleted page, it's a new creation in place of a previously deleted page put together by a now-banned editor I have no relationship with. I found the dead link on the Stadium Goods page and, not knowing about the history, thought I'd give creation a go. When doing so, I got the note about a previous article and held off on my work. Instead, I did my due diligence in checking in with the person who had done the deletion to ensure that he hadn't deleted for reasons other than the lack of trust in the original author. I felt that, having confirmed before the article was created that it was worthy of creation (the convo was originally on the article's talk page and is now on mine), I was good to go, but took a lot of care to ensure the article follows the rules for creating biographies for people who are relatively unknown. The article is not about a company, it is about a person. In fact, I mention 8 companies and 2 universities in 8 lines, so hardly a focus on a company.

The deletion for lack of notability is absolutely not in line with Wikipedia's general notability guideline as the criteria required to be met are actually met:

"Significant coverage": 4 of 10 sources are directly about the subject, all others have extensive mentions of him even if the primary focus are the companies he founded "Reliable": Forbes, WWD, Complex, Business of Fashion and the Wall Street Journal are definitely all reliable sources with journalistic independence and integrity. I consciously left out sources like Yahoo and when citing articles about Stadium Goods avoided any sources that sounded like a copy of a corporate press release. "Sources": All but one of the cited sources are secondary sources (there is no named record of his university attendance other than speaker notes at a Fastcompany event). There are 10 sources and 12 citations on an article that currently spans 7 lines. "Independent of the subject": It is. I don't know John McPheters. I understand that notability is relative and that the bio guideline is clear that just because the above criteria are met, it is not guaranteed that a person deserves a mention. I also agree that the article is thin, but that is a feature of my time constraints not of its topic. Another article I created a few years back on ShopStyle is not much longer and currently spans 8 lines. It deserves a "please help build out this article" note, not a deletion warning.

I edit mostly smaller company and lesser-known people's pages as I am a huge fan of not equating size with importance. If someone has created a company with a unique model - as John has done with Stadium Goods - they deserve a mention if the criteria are met otherwise the world will continue to be dominated by big corporate entities and the contribution of individuals continue to be ignored.

Incidentally, you may notice that I did not create an article for Jed Stiller even though he also has a dead link from Stadium Goods, which is what motivated me to create John's article in the first place. While I have no opinon about Jed's contribution to the company (I also don't know him), I couldn't find a single citable source about him and thus decided that - unlike John - he did not meet the necessary criteria for a standalone page.

TineWiki (talk)
 * Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing. --Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 03:22, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


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