Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Nalbone


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The result was withdrawn per sources found by Cbl (WP:HEY)  Grsz  11  00:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

John Nalbone

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Fails WP:ATHLETE. Has not competed professionally or the highest amateur level (NCAA Division I FBS).  Grsz 11  22:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  Cbl62 (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Then WP:ATHLETE should be changed. Being drafted by an NFL team makes one notable.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hardly inherent notability. 200-some drafted, many never play.  Grsz 11  22:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Actually, most do. And there's a good argument that being drafted alone makes one notable. Len Bias is notable, but he never played...► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Some can achieve notability otherwise, Len Bias being a good example. But WP:ATHLETE is clear on this. Many would argue that hardly any of these picks are notable yet (the whole Olympics issue). But in this case, DI FBS is the top amateur league, meaning those who haven't played at that level, or professionally, don't pass it.  Grsz 11  22:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Then like I said, the guidelines need to be changed. This isn't baseball - most drafted players do play professionally and, like I said, I believe being drafted makes one notable regardless of professional career, and I bet others will agree.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We go by what the guidelines and policies currently say, not what you want them to say.  TJ   Spyke   23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep is this a joke, being drafted by a NFL team makes him clearly notable--Yankees10 22:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And where does Wikipedia say that?  Grsz 11  22:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nowhere, yet.► Chris Nelson Holla! 22:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Its common sense, the NFL Draft is one of the biggest days in the NFL year. You clearly dont follow the NFL or you would have never nominated this for deletion, and therefore are wasting everyones time--Yankees10 22:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How about trying guideline and policies (WP:ATHLETE) rather than your personal opinion?  TJ   Spyke   23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I feel he qualifies as a notable person under Wikipedia rules, not just as a sports-person as there are secondary references if you Google for him. Trevor Marron (talk) 22:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep This has gotta be a joke just being drafted makes one notable.-- Giants27 T/  C  22:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't, PLAYING for the team that drafted them does.  TJ   Spyke   23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE. IF he ever plays a game in the NFL he will become notable, until then he doesn't. We delete lots of articles on soccer players that are signed to professional teams but haven't actually played a game yet, no reason for this guy to get special treatment.  TJ   Spyke   23:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Being drafted is notable.► Chris Nelson Holla! 23:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not by itself it is not. He was also drafted in the 5th round (the 161st pick), so he wasn't exactly a high priority. Just being drafted does NOT make a athlete notable. And don't say it does because I have already pointed you to guidelines and policies which apply here. He fails the guideline for athletes.  TJ   Spyke   23:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - But he doesn't fail for notable people.► Chris Nelson Holla! 23:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't agree that every 5th or 6th round NFL draft pick is per se notable.  A college football player is notable if he has won a significant award or received substantial mainstream media coverage.  This is a closer case than two other football players discussed below (James Wyche and Kevin Simon), but there have been some mainstream articles focusing on Nalbone.  See, e.g., Feature story in Star-Ledger and Feature story in South Florida Sun-Sentinel.  And here and here are two more feature stories on Nalbone from a New Jersey newspaper.  Being the "first" player from a college to be drafted by the NFL also lends a further element of notability to the guy -- getting drafted after playing at a very small school like Monmouth is unusual.  On balance, I find him notable, but not simply because he was drafted. Cbl62 (talk) 23:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cbl62 above. Being drafted into the NFL does not automatically make a player sufficiently notable, but this player has been the subject of coverage by multiple reliable sources, so WP:BIO is met. — Satori Son 23:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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