Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John P. Holland Centre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Liscannor. Rough consensus that the article should not exist in mainspace. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

John P. Holland Centre

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Small/private non-notable museum. There is no indication that this museum meets WP:SIGCOV or WP:ORG. The sources we have (and, it seems, the only sources that are available at all) are blog/forum posts, the subject's own (dead?) website, perhaps(?) an undetermined/fleeting mention in a podcast and a phone-book style directory entry. A Google search, for example, returns only directory-style entries. And nothing covering the subject in any depth at all. As discussed on the article's talkpage, the only claims to notability seem to be that the person that it covers is notable. And that the road/drive on which it sits is also named for that person. Both or which fall under WP:NOTINHERITED. While the topic could, perhaps, be covered at Liscannor or John_Philip_Holland, I personally don't support such a redirect. As either seems arbitrary. Guliolopez (talk) 18:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Guliolopez (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. Guliolopez (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Liscannor. I'm fascinated by submarines and John Philip Holland is one of the most important historical figures. Therefore I'd love to save this article but this little museum is just not notable. We should have a redirect since people might search for this museum.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 23:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   ArcAngel    (talk) 21:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect either to John Philip Holland or Liscannor. Fails WP:SIGCOV. The Banner  talk 17:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am trying to figure out if the museum is still open. The replies so far are negative or inconclusive. The Banner  talk 11:10, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. To my understanding the visitor centre is closed. And has been for several years. When I last passed through Liscannor in early June 2023, only the restaurant (the Frantic Chef) was operating from the premises. With no indication that the JPH centre was open. Several Google reviews, also dating from mid-2023 (and several before), seem to confirm as much. Frankly, this is one of the reasons I cannot personally support a redirect. As it is implausible that anyone is looking for information on this closed, short-lived and non-notable subject. Guliolopez (talk) 14:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Non-notable centre that's now apparently closed. Spleodrach (talk) 08:35, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 14:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. This non-notable centre is now closed and the centre's website here is also no longer online.  --Leoboudv (talk) 00:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete & draftify.  At best this should be moved to draftspace because it doesn't pass notability guidelines in it's current state.  NYC Guru (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.