Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Renesch (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 03:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

John Renesch
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For some reason this did not get posted properly when it was nominated on Dec 7.; I accidentally saw it when considering another article, so I'm reposting it at todays's date.

The original nominator said:
 * This autobiography page for John Renesch, was created by John Renesch, which violates Wikipedia guidelines for biographies of living peresons. John Renesch continues to actively edit the page, adding new books he has written, and the like.  While editors keep cleaning up after him and removing these promotional additions, he appears to have created the page solely as a way to promote himself and his writings.  He does not appear to meet the criterion for general notablity and the information is mostly unsourced, or sourced to other material he has written about himself.

WP:SOAP, WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO Califurnia (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll call myself the co-nominator, and add:
 * Does not qualify under WP:PROF. WP:AUTHOR, or the GNG. The reference from Christianity Today might seem reliable, but unfortunately it is just a   mention.  Among his notable accomplishments is receiving an award from   the " World Business Academy", an organization he himself founded. Most of his books are self published: he founded New Leaders Publishing in order to print them. Not one of them is by a major academic or business publisher, Two of his books have substantial library holdings, but in both cases he is the editor or coeditor, not the author of the contents.   Learning organizations : developing cultures for tomorrow's workplace  and New traditions in business : spirit and leadership in the 21st century   His own organization has been adsorbed into Saybrook Graduate School and Research Center, a notable but rather unusual organization; we have previously removed much spam connected with people related to it, and apparently have more to go.

See also my related nomination just above, Articles for deletion/Conscious Leadership  DGG ( talk ) 06:34, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, careful reading of the bio shows no indication of notability by our standards (as always, this should not be taken as a personal statement about the subject, i generally admire efforts to bring conscious awareness to business). The refs are almost all dead ends, which is unfortunate, as i cant determine if any of the statements are true. if the author truly is editing, he would know where the info exists. apparently he has one independently published work, not from a major press, but it is an important (not large) press within the business book world. thats probably not enough. no prejudice against recreation (i dont mind it being userfied either), but ONLY if secondary sources can be found.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 00:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * delete Another self-promotional bio. Mangoe (talk) 01:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
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