Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Santa


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The result was   delete. X clamation point  03:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

John Santa

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Minor writer, with one claimed novel and a fairly padded CV, of the 'has worked with [FAMOUS PERSON]' variety. CalendarWatcher (talk) 01:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I see a couple of local newspaper articles about him (and one article that doesn't seem to mention him by name), but they're both of the very local, "local man is doing something interesting" variety, which I wouldn't consider independent/in-depth coverage required by WP:BIO. --Mosmof (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: author of a marginally notable book, part of a non-notable band, plus he did some non-notable charity work -- raising tens of thousands of dollars for charity is admirable, but doesn't confer encyclopedic notability, though it may draw some human interest story coverage, as appears to be the case here. Baileypalblue (talk) 07:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mosmof. - Mgm|(talk) 10:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, didn't find any significant coverage outside of his local community. Ottre 13:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Response A CV is not "padded" if it is in fact accurate as this one is.  I would be happy to list more specific details including the actual awards won and details on the "padding" if that would help.--Whit33 (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Response Santa's press coverage is far from local.  I would be happy to include cites from New York, Washington, DC, Minnesota, Vancouver, BC, Baghdad, Iraq, and more if that would help.--Whit33 (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Response I do not take issue with the "non-notable band" tag, however that is merely background to the rest of the article.  Unlike 95% of books published today, Santa's novel has sold out its first edition and is now in its second printing.  Creating a fundraiser that in just its second year had events taking place simultaneously in North Carolina, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Virginia, Georgia, Arizona, and Baghdad, Iraq is in itself notable.  The benefit to the Fisher House is certainly important.  Also, it is important to note the 10K figure referenced is from one year at one location, not the totals from six years and many locations.--Whit33 (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Response See second response above.  --Whit33 (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you've got reliable sources available that you think would help establish the subject's notability, by all means add them to the article or link to them so we can take a look. Independent book reviews and non-local reliable source coverage of any charitable organization the subject has established would be particularly useful.  Bear in mind the notability criteria established in WP:CREATIVE while researching.  Baileypalblue (talk) 04:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete He sounds like an admirable person, but this appears to be a self-published book (Jostens is a printer, not a trade publisher), so one would have to look for reviews to render this notable, and I couldn't find any Tractops (talk) 03:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Response I added some references from newspapers in Rome, GA, Fayetteville, NC, Chapel Hill, NC, Durham, NC, International Falls, Minnesota, and Raleigh, NC, showing the scope of the Marathon Jam and also non local reviews of his book. In addition, the Cybergrass article not only reviews the book, it speaks of Santa's appearance on WFDU in New York City to discuss his book.  He has also been featured on The State of Things, WRAL TV, WQDR, WPTF, and others.--Whit33 (talk) 16:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I also included a link to The Fisher House's website that has an article on it from 2007 about Santa raising money for that organization.--Whit33 (talk) 17:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I added a couple of other reviews, one from Vancouver, BC, and one from Our State Magazine. I am now showing references from Canada, Iraq, and at least four states in the United States referencing Santa and his philanthropy and his book.  --Whit33 (talk) 19:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have added some information regarding just one of Santa's films which he produced and directed and awards it garnered. --Whit33 (talk) 06:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Being a 'finalist' for an award doesn't mean much. Being a 'finalist' for an award for which there no articles on the award itself, its sponsoring organisation or founder means even less. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 07:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Freddies are a huge thing. Being one of five finalist is huge.  CNN was the winner that year spending over $500,000 for their film.  You can get a feel for them at the Freddies website - http://www.thefreddies.com/ if you wish. --Whit33 (talk) 07:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Very huge, no doubt. So huge, in fact, no-one has ever bothered creating an article about them so I can investigate their huge-ness from hugely reliable sources. And the ability to hire a website designer tells very little about their huge-osity. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 07:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, it should be pointed out that creating an article that copies entire paragraphs verbatim from the award's website, and otherwise relies entirely on press releases, like isn't going to help much. To establish notability, significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. --Mosmof (talk) 08:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't think the added sources do enough to establish notability. Book promotion appearances aren't enough to establish notability for the book, let alone establish the notability of the subject as an author.  The Telly Awards don't confer notability because thousands of them are handed out every year; the Silver Reel awards this person has won are issued by a non-notable local organization, and these Freddie Awards aren't even as notable as the non-notable travel award of the same name.  I'd be open to switching my vote if it could be demonstrated that the subject is the head of a notable international non-profit organization, but right now it looks like he started a non-notable local jam and then other people got the idea to do jams as well.  Barring further additions, I'd still say this subject falls in the gap between verifiability and encyclopedic notability.  Baileypalblue (talk) 21:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


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