Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Schwert


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is clear, but let me just add, for the benefit of the IP (if it really is the article subject), please know this is not an artistic judgement of the quality of your work, but an assessment of notability based on Wikipedia policy. It's also not permanent; in the event there's significant coverage in independent, reliable sources establishing notability in the future, the article can be remade. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 01:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

John Schwert

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I have found very few actual Reliable Sources that mention this individual. They are all biographies that can be added by the individual or social media pages. Based on the article he has only been involved in a handful of "notable" films, and for those he was minor players in the scheme of things, such as the assistant location manager. VViking Talk Edits 20:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Businesspeople,  and New York.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Please don't delete
moved from talk page

The person in the article, John Schwert, asked me to make some edits to his page. Unfortunately, I am new to this Wikipedia editing, and made some errors with adding links. I have permission from John Schwert to be editing, but please don't delete his page because of my mistakes. Srqflorida (talk) 14:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Viewmont Viking - this is John Schwert, thanks for your feedback!
 * I feel that my track-record of working in film, tv, and commercials for nearly 20 years, writing/directing/producing films, tv, and commercials - in addition to the locations work that I've done along the way that you mentioned, winning film festivals and awards along the way, is sufficient enough to have a Wikipedia listing, and I welcome you to explore my IMDB page, as well as a feature film that I just produced with Aaron Eckhart, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, and Connor Paolo, entitled Ambush that will be in theaters next month (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkVEoypYKxg). My web designer Sue was updating my Wikipedia page and I think we were both confused as to what links were/weren't allowed on the page, but now we understand things a bit better and we hope that you reconsider your position on my Wikipedia status.
 * Thanks again, all my best!
 * John Schwert (john [at] 4wproductions.com/704-604-2947) 2603:6080:3302:1166:5157:E066:6D76:E836 (talk) 13:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Further discussion

 * Delete - I was canvassed on my talk page too !vote keep here. I can't find anything to show a passing of any of the 4 points of WP:CREATIVE and certainly nothing towards WP:GNG. I can only find self-published sources like WP:IMDB that address him in depth. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello again, following up from what I posted just above here - here's multiple references to myself in relation to the films I've written, directed, and produced, and I've had a Wikipedia page for ten years, as mentioned above, my web designer was just updating some information:
 * https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna18649992
 * https://variety.com/2005/film/reviews/among-brothers-1200525010/
 * https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2005/04/11/story4.html
 * https://m.clclt.com/charlotte/brothers-in-arms/Content?oid=2355893&storyPage=2
 * https://filmthreat.com/uncategorized/among-brothers/
 * https://www.charlottemagazine.com/still-reeling/
 * Thanks again!
 * John Schwert. 2603:6080:3302:1166:35D2:8BA5:7E5A:7ACC (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SIGCOV, WP:CREATIVE, and WP:AUTO. Merely because someone is the director, producer, or actor in a film, it does not make them notable. Producers and behind-the-scenes staff are especially common and, to be blunt, run of the mill. Part of that is, that not all films are notable, and none of this person's films are notable because of him. Being interviewed one or twice about a film does not make the creator of the film notable; there must be substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources. Even if you are new to editing Wikipedia, everyone who was born in the 20th century has at least used or read Wikipedia and after 22 years, knows or should know the gist of what Wikipedia constitutes and that it is a charity. Ignorance of the long-standing reality of one of the most popular websites in the world does not excuse disobeying its rules or its longstanding mores and consensus about how we include content. Also, even if one is a creative person, you are not automatically included on Wikipedia. As a private charity, we have the right to exclude anyone from our services; we are not a free web host. As a private entity, we are not subject to the First Amendment. Nobody would expect to barge into a meeting of the ASPCA and demand that it surrender a puppy to them. Film producers and associated staff are dime a dozen. You have to do more than the average director, professor or scholar. Finally, I am strongly opposed to autobiographies on Wikipedia. In 2007, that could have been excused, but in 2022, it's untenable to try to sneak in a social media page masquerading as an encyclopedia article. To be plain, it's theft of our services. We have deleted older articles merely because they were paid for or autobiographies. There is no statute of limitation of action for deleting an article. Bearian (talk) 19:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback - I appreciate your words. I'm hoping that you deem my Wiki listing from 2007 as notable enough to allow me to keep it and even update it - which is what we were trying to do the past couple weeks.  I've pasted above mainstream, notable articles from major publications (Variety, Biz Journals, Film Threat) along with a link to the Dateline NBC special that focused exclusively on my film Among Brothers that I wrote, directed, and produced, in conjunction with In/Significant Others, another film that I wrote, directed, and produced, both of which have won multiple film festivals (that have Wiki listings) and awards, and I have Ambush, a film that I produced for Paramount, coming out February 24, 2023 - again, here is the link to that trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkVEoypYKxg).  I've realized and now clearly understand how/why linking to social media and/or other sites isn't appropriate for Wikipedia and apologies for the ignorance on my part.
 * Thanks again for the words and feedback.
 * John Schwert. 2603:6080:3302:1166:B052:92A2:F9A7:FC61 (talk) 18:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Excellent comment from . I agree wholeheartedly. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree with delete - the most notable films on the list are not very notable in the first place, and the films on the list where the subject had a senior role are not especially notable. Nwhyte (talk) 23:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)


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