Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Sehil


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ignoring the significant socking, I only see two legitimate editors arguing to keep, and their arguments aren't supported by policy. For example, the number of people editing an article is no indication of WP:N. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

John Sehil

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The subject of this article does not meet the WP:NACTOR guidelines -- Habertix (talk) 12:32, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  12:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  M assiveYR   ♠  12:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for actors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The arguments so far have been variations on "he's notable" / "he's not notable" - can people expand on this?
 * Delete per nom.Tipsygunny (talk) 22:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The notability standard is met by the reliable and verifiable sources provided. PapiLombardo (talk)
 * KEEP The article was created in 2015 and has been modified by many Wikipedia contributors. John Sehil has played in films and television series for 11 years and has been credited several times in the credits. All the sources prove his participation as an actor. Gisèle Latueva (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:41, 27 September 2017‎ (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I suspect sockpuppetry...
 * KEEP John Sehil was an extra. He started his career with Michelle Pfeiffer, John Travolta... Ok. So, then, he got many roles : Quentin in Sous le soleil (2008) The barman in L'illusion comique by Mathieu Amalric (2010) The regissor in Crédit pour tous by Jean-Pierre Mocky (2011) Patrice in Tout, tout de suite by Richard Berry (2015) The mechanic in Chacun sa vie et son intime conviction by Claude Lelouch (2017) Why is this not eligible? Is it because there is no biography?Stéphane Moisan (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep 32 films. 20 TV movie. Present on all known cinema sites. All sources are valid. Actor since 11 years.Dorewig (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2017 (UTC
 * Comment Article has been deleted from WP in french, in May 2008 and 2 years ago. During the second AfD procedure, numerous sockpuppet accounts were created (link to Check User request) -- Habertix (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC).
 * Comment "The regissor in Crédit pour tous by Jean-Pierre Mocky (2011) " is a 10-seconds presence in this video (from 00:19 to 00:29). This role doesn't reach WP:NACTOR .   -- Habertix (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC).

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 20:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the two French AfDs dealing with this article had to deal with a significant amount of meat/sockpuppetry, ending up with blocking of the corresponding SPAs. Since then, new suspicious accounts have appeared to recreate the French article. --Azurfrog (talk) 23:50, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. No sources in the article, or that I can find elsewhere, do any more than list the subject in the minor credits of a film, and, before you ask, I understand French. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. The sources appear to be valid and reliable. He has a career spanning over over 10 years and has been in a significant number of films and TV movies. The article is encyclopedic and not promotional in nature. He has a following and the number of editors who have edited the article attests to this matter.Knox490 (talk) 01:59, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I failed to establish notability through NACTOR or the GNG. gidonb (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Combination of performing in many roles. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Non notable for the en.wiki. Many of the above !voters apepar to be sleepers/SPAs who are showing up after months and years of inactivity. As much as I would like to AGF they are legit !voters, I have seen this too often. spi cu bean! L3X1 (distænt write)  13:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * In the process of filing I noticed that the nom had notified them all, so I do not question their motives for showing up. That they aren't the same person, however is a different question. L3X1 (distænt write)  13:49, 13 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The sources appear to be valid and reliable. The article is encyclopedic. The videos on you tube are only extracts. The article was deleted in 2008 and we are in 2017. HallFred (talk) — HallFred (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 17:07, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Above all, the subject fails WP:GNG. The shenanigans and suspected sockpuppetry are red flags for me as well. Ifnord (talk) 16:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment : Hello. Have you seen these french movies ? Have you seen Chacun sa vie et son intime conviction by Claude Lelouch? Have you seen Raid dingue by Dany Boon ? ...... The regissor in Crédit pour tous by Jean-Pierre Mocky (2011) " is a 10-seconds presence " is an EXTRACT of the movie. YouTube don't present the movie in integrality. Same for Jo or Marion Mazzano The article has a following and the number of editors who have edited him attests to this matter. He has a career spanning over 11 years and get many roles. Maybe in 2008 the article was not encyclopedic but now all the sources are valid and reliable. You can verif all the sources who prove his participation as an actor and not an extra. He was an extra in From Paris with Love and Chéri Gisèle Latueva (talk) 23:03, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: Proven sockpuppetry on the French WP, insistance over the years to recreate the article, lack of significant secondary sources are all very good reasons to delete this page, all the more in view of the heavy meatpuppetry that poisoned the two AfDs on the French WP. Beyond that, a considerable list of various roles held by John Sehil appears on IMDb, most of which are uncredited, which casts some doubts on the notability of said actor... Azurfrog (talk) 00:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.