Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Two-Hawks (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:39, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

John Two-Hawks
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This article is nothing but an ad for Mr. Two-Hawks and all "controversial items" have been removed by his agent multiple times and will likely be removed again. see talk page and history NWWT (talk) 00:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can you provide diffs where the material is removed? Also, does this breach WP:BLP? I'm not sure how I'd !vote, but I agree that it would be better to come to a consensus this time around. Smmurphy(Talk) 02:37, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 04:02, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Smmurphy see contributions for User:CSRstaff, which is entirely edits to this page, such as Special:Diff/731414466/732407502 RegistryKey(RegEdit) 07:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * <- this should help. There have been other accounts that are most likely socks, as well. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 22:42, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as he passes WP:NMUSIC category 8 as he was nominated for a Grammy Award for his album Wind Songs as confirmed by a reliable source here. If his agent is causing problems he should be reported at WP:COIN and will most probably be blocked. Atlantic306 (talk) 18:38, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Delete working on this article over the years, my opinion is that the subject is not notable. Much puffery appears to have been added by the subject or their partner/agent, and then been removed. There has also been sockpuppetry in this area. Initially there was unearned notability because sourcing for a whole other individual, of the same name, was erroneously included. Much of the publications and videos seem self-published, and many of the appearances seem to be trade show promotional gigs or the like. So much of what has been added has been COI that it's been hard to sort through. The only reason to keep would be to disambig this person from similarly-named individuals, and to keep some of the fact-checking intact in that area; but that is not actually the purpose of the 'pedia. If we are going on pure notability, and keeping the content on the pedia honest, I lean towards delete. - Corb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 21:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - the only independent reference that is not just a music directory is a relatively small paper. Insufficient to support WP:MUSICBIO criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've changed to delete. Looking over the recent deletions and additions, I see the content about the hoaxes perpetrated by this individual have been deleted by his manager, and stayed deleted. The hoaxes were actually better-known than his other work, as far as I could tell. The recently-added source that confirms his birth name also has errors, like his false claims of Native heritage, so, while useful for the name, it also adds false info to the 'pedia. This is just too full of misinformation to allow on the 'pedia, and always will be. It needs to go. - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 22:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)


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