Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John W. Flores (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

John W. Flores
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Multiple concerns. Borderline notability and unreferenced claims in a BLP. Article itself needs a lot of work...but to do so with all the citation tags gives me pause. If deemed notable, this should at least be stub-ified until more good refs are provided. The Eskimo (talk) 19:39, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: The referenced awards indicate sufficient notability. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The referenced awards have no references. The Eskimo (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral: I take your point that the major awards have no references. Jezhotwells (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  -- John Vandenberg (chat) 06:54, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I added the fact tags, I've attempted to source them without success. The article states that he was nominated for a Pulitzer prize, but he's not mentioned anywhere on their website, so that could merely mean a entry was submitted. Focusing on the verifiable information, the secondary coverage, mainly related to the biography he wrote of Freddy Gonzalez and the Meritorious Public Service Award received for it, is from local or military sources and does not provide the in-depth treatment required for WP:GNG. Of the verifiable awards, I don't think that a Meritorious Public Service Award would meet WP:ANYBIO, and I'm sure the others wouldn't (a Texas Senate resolution and various citations). I can't see any of the WP:CREATIVE criteria met either. January   (talk)  20:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Delete. I spent a little time, a while back, re-writing parts of the article to make it slightly more intelligible. User:January then spent a lot more time going through the list of "References" that were mostly just links to self-published sources or similar, and turning what could be found there from WP:RS into proper inline citations. With all that work done, we have four appropriate citations, which support two statements in the article, which taken together, totally fail to establish notability.

John W Flores is surely a splendid fellow and it is clear from the sources that he has made some fine achievements and is well respected. But he is not notable from Wikipedia's standpoint. The vast majority of the claims made in the article that would support notability if they could all be sourced... well, they still haven't been sourced after all the excitement here and on the BLP noticeboard and on the article's talkpage. That sourcing is just not going to appear. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- -- Cirt (talk) 15:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The principal notability claimed is writing a book: the book was self-published by Author House, and is, not unexpectedly, in essentially no libraries.-- see WorldCat   DGG ( talk ) 19:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
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