Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John W Kirby


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was    Delete. Possible hoax. Certainly unverifiable BLP. Eluchil404 (talk) 01:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

John W Kirby

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Cannot find any sources, either it's a hoax, or a non-notable unreferenced WP:BLP MickMacNee (talk) 12:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 12:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with nomination. Even if the article is true, it is not written in an encyclopedic manner. The fact that none of the sources or external links mentions Mr. Kirby is a serious verifiability problem. Sjakkalle (Check!)  12:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, lack of references and promotional tone suggest this is a vanity autobiography. No evidence of notability, no sources to verify content. ~ mazca  t 13:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as suspected hoax, utterly without verification or sources, and being, indubitably, an excellent example of WP:Vanispamcruftisement and WP:Complete Bollocks. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - hoax. Two further confirmations:
 * the SPA author's only other contributions are insertion of Kirby's name into other articles. In LDV Group Limited it is claimed that he "has made many submissions" to the LDV blog, but a search of that blog for his name gives nothing ,
 * The author's comment below is correct - the search function on that blog doesn't work, and there is indeed a "John Kirby" who has made several posts. However that does not confirm any of the article's claims. JohnCD (talk) 08:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * the enormous list of his charities has been copied verbatim from here - the web-site of a Nottingham bar.
 * JohnCD (talk) 15:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - I have been labelled a SPA, but in fact it is just that I am new, I have ideas for other articles. I have met John Kirby, and in fact he donated to me an old laptop, when I searched for him on the net I could not find him so I ask people who know him, for information, prior to writing I looked at information on over thirty individuals on Wikipedia, and carefully drafted what to say and followed the layout used. As a newbie, I am unable to upload, but I have newspaper articles from 1994, page 3 of the Folkestone Herald and Copies of Bus and Coach week, which have clear information to back up this information.

As to why I wrote the piece, well, two reasons, first, in the difficult financial times we find ourselves, for someone to survive a bankruptcy, when there was a stigma attached, because of poor payers, to come back and still do good, might encourage someone else.

The second, his views on politics, race and religion, the acceptance of all without question, is in my opinion a great trait.

As to somebody searching on LDV, type in any name and it does not work, but open and read the Home and the Open Forum, and you will find loads, and they are well-researched pieces.

As to the list of charities, well, that is because he was connected to SKIN Bar and those are the charities he supports though all of his enterprises. There is not a single charity on that list that has not had a cash donation in the financial year Apr 6th ’08 to Apr 5th ’09 from John Kirby personally, I know because his secretary showed be all the receipts whilst he was out.

I now think I have done John a disservice, the page which I thought would be good, now suggests it is a hoax, and not truthful, so I would sooner see it removed than harm him, but I stand by it, and wholeheartedly, think it is an inspirational story. ProfPenguin (talk) 18:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Possible speedy delete, as entirely promotional, based to some extent on the above comment. DGG (talk) 05:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


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