Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John William Harkins


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The result was delete. A very worthy individual. However, the consensus is that the subject fails WP:GNG and, despite a copious publication output, does not separately meet WP:PROF. Just Chilling (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

John William Harkins

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No evidence of sufficient coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such that the subject would meet Notability (people). Does not appear to meet the criteria set out at Notability (academics). Cordless Larry (talk) 07:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete The article is supported by a blog and faculty listing by his employer. Zero independent sourcing. I checked EVERY search link in (news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR) - I found zilch.
 * Then I checked the article creator's contribution history. I'm seeing TWENTY EIGHT New Page biographies. It appears to be an indiscriminate creation of pages for Columbia Theological Seminary faculty. I checked a large majority of them. They systematically fail to cite independent sources to establish notability. A lot of them carry tags for lack of Notability&Sourcing. Assuming this article gets deleted, does it make sense to then bundle the others for deletion discussion?? Alsee (talk) 10:52, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Sigh. I tagged John Azumah for notability concerns, and then saw this one and decided it was worse than the Azumah article. I hadn't realise there were that many. A bundled nomination may well be in order. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -- He has a prodigious publication output in the last few years. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * One of the criteria set out at WP:NACADEMIC is that "The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources". As far as I understand the guideline, number of publications doesn't matter - it's their impact that does. I haven't seen any evidence that his research has made a significant impact on the discipline. In fact, most of the "publications" listed in the article are just conference papers, not even published articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The "prodigious publication output" is merely WP:bombardment. The "publication lists" includes BLOG posts (i.e. Conditions May Vary, Inside Passages, Get Out! CREDO Health Vitality Blog). As Cordless Larry notes, the entire list is meaningless without secondary evidence of significance. Bundling is probably needed because the "publication lists" and "award lists" are systematically unreliable indiscriminate WP:bombardment. Alsee (talk) 05:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. It can be hard finding stuff on Google Scholar, but his "The Disconnected, Unplugged Man: A Clinical/Theological Case Study" is significant; the journal issue it appeared in had several articles written specifically in response to it. StAnselm (talk) 19:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Journal editors often invite response articles, but I don't see any evidence that his article has been cited outside of the issue of the journal it appeared in. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I think you're right. (I was going to !vote "keep", and then turned it into a comment.) StAnselm (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Further comment: The correct name seems to be "J. William Harkins". StAnselm (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: No evidence that subject passes WP:PROF. StAnselm (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment on possible future-ADF bundle for the other 27 articles: The article submitter appears to be half way through a process of indiscriminately creating articles for every name on Columbia Theological Seminary current and former faculty list. I'm thinking the Bundle would carry automatic access to WP:refund due to the bulk nature. That AFD could could be followed by an administrator noticeboard request to assert WP:COI, making any resubmissions go through WP:AFC. Alsee (talk) 05:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the bundle is a very bad idea and has "train wreck" written all over it before it even leaves the station - several of the articles created are on notable people. StAnselm (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a more selective bundle or bundles is advisable, based on a proper assessment of notability? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:20, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Concur with analysis by Alsee and StAnselm. Searches turned up nothing that would make this pass WP:BASIC or WP:PROF. Worldbruce (talk) 07:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The article author Jcstanley added some links in the external section without commenting here. I almost didn't see it, and others might want to check it. I still don't think I see anything that satisfies wp:Notability_(academics), nor a single sentence about him that wasn't written by him or an employer. The closest thing I'm seeing for independent mention of him seems to be episcopalatlanta.org: Latest Diocesan News, however that is the website of his current employer (Career: Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta as an instructor in Pastoral Care (2000–present)). Alsee (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


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