Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Williams (wrestler)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, which defaults to KEEP Paul August &#9742; 18:29, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

John Williams (wrestler)
Delete There are thousands of wrestlers working out of national guard armories. There is nothing notabale about this guy. 66.32.97.158 17:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Not only was he an important part of ECW (an influential promotion), he has owned and booked his own promotion for the better part of 9 years. His accomplishments go well beyond being simply a wrestler working in armories. Yes, he is a bit of a controversial character, and not entirely popular in his chosen profession, but wikipedia is not about making value judgements, but in capturing influential and notable information.


 * Controversy has nothing to do with it. Nothing you have listed is notable at all. There are hundreds of promoters who have ran shows for 10+ years. Also, you saw that he was an important part of ECW, yet nothing about ECW is mentioned. Shall we have an article for every independent wrestler in the United States? 66.32.97.158 17:25, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

- I doubt there are "hundreds" of promoters that have run for over a decade, but this discussion is not about other people, but rather if Ian Rotten (John Williams) is notable enough to merit an entry. While there are a myriad of other promoters, a very small number regularly book well known and well respected talents including Sabu, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, et al. Simply put, his promotion (despite its questionable business acumen) is known as putting on highly regarded events, including arguably the most respected annual independant tournament, the Ted Petty Invitational. Outside of his ECW tenure (most notable perhaps for the already mentioned "Taipei Death Match"), he is well known in the industry for participating in (and occasionally promoting) the subset "Death Match" style. To answer your final question, yes, perhaps in time we SHOULD have an article for every independent wrestler, in the name of completeness. In the near term, however, lets focus on the more well known ones. Certainly Williams/Rotten qualifies.


 * This should not be deleted. Rather it should be expanded. And he is notable enough to warrant an article.
 * ↪Lakes 20:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand. McPhail 02:07, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete nn---CH (talk) 04:55, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now.  No opinion. &mdash;Cryptic (talk) 15:51, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep per content of article which shows notability. --rob 17:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's verifiable and wiki isn't paper. It doesn't come under any point at What Wikipedia is not. And for the exclusionists: it's notable :p ··gracefool |&#9786; 07:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.