Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John de Holcombe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

John de Holcombe

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Reasons for recommending deletion:

1. There is no specific cited or verifiable information to establish any facts about the subject or, now (see 2, and the external references), even that he existed.

2. The tomb in Dorchester Abbey originally thought to be John de Holcombe's is now believed to be someone else, according to the Abbey's website.

3. The article has been amended numerous times by editors who
 * [a] may not have a neutral point of view,
 * [b] add information without citing sources or
 * [c] add discussion notes in the article instead of on the talk page
 * [d] have removed "citation needed" tags

4. The "Further reading" reference, if of any value, should be cited in full, quoted from where appropriate, and the page number(s) cited. Reference to Holcombe Rogus is not necessarily a reference to John de Holcombe, neither is the existence of a coat of arms.

5. There has been no response to attempts to start a discussion on the article's talk page (Sep & Dec 2013).

I'm happy to withdraw this proposal for deletion if any published references (other than private genealogical websites) can be established. Tony Holkham (talk) 01:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete -- The sources that we have seem to be for the Holcombe coat of arms. It may be that the legend appears in an early edition of Burke and probably in the genealogy books cited, but we have nothing substantive apart from the legend that he beheaded three Turks and was knighted as a result.  Whether the appearance of the Turks on the coat of arms is a result of that or generated the legend, I am not prepared to guess.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 02:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - No decent sources given for J d H as an historical figure, despite several requests, so this remains a thin article about a figure apparently invented to account for a coat of arms, not notable enough to warrant an article. Eustachiusz (talk) 16:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - even if everything could be sourced, I don't see what makes him a unique as a Crusader. Bearian (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.