Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnni Black


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 23:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Johnni Black

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Precedent best new starlet isn't enough if the performer fails GNG Spartaz Humbug! 18:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes it does. You need to familiarise yourself with WP:PORNBIO. If you want to check the "major" awards, WP have a whole articles on the AVN Awards (including one for each of the 36 or so, 36th AVN Awards), which helpfully list out the "major awards" for you - one of which is "Best new starlet".
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 * Delete does not pass the general notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Yes it is. She meets WP:PORNBIO ("The person has won a well-known and significant industry award"). Britishfinance (talk) 02:26, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:PORNBIO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:40, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are few references, but they satisfy GNG.Guilherme Burn (talk) 19:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Do awards for "new" or "upcoming" really indicate the same level of significance or notability as other awards from the same source? Almost by definition, the only competition is other people who haven't yet won any awards.  The article only shows 2 awards &mdash; AVN Best New Starlet and FOXE Video Vixen &mdash; both limited to new/upcoming people, in the same year, and the article doesn't indicate that she won any awards when competing with what you might call "people who win awards".  Contrast this person with other performers who have won these "new" awards but also picked up awards that well-established recipients earn. --Closeapple (talk) 00:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: Does not meet WP:BASIC; significant RS coverage not found. Sourcing is passing, primary, and / or WP:SPIP. Per much prior precedent, including several DRs, a technical PORNBIO pass -- which is dubious in this case -- does not exempt a BLP from sourcing requirements. The article on the award has been itself deleted confirming that it's not a significant award. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment PORNBIO rules are there for a reason, as the New York Times does not like doing interviews with these people. That is why the GNG criteria are not applied.  Any AVN award winner is a better known figure (no pun intended), then many GNG BLPs in WP.  If you want to rewrite WP policy on PORNBIO you can propose change, however, in the absense of such change, she meets PORNBIO. Britishfinance (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The New York Times published op-eds and columns by Stoya and Kayden Kross ... Trillfendi (talk) 01:51, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Why don’t people get it? Winning an award doesn’t automatically make an adult film performer notable when they have no career to actually speak of. Least of all, Best New Starlet. If it was Female Performer of the Year or Best Actress then I could see keeping it. Literally NO career! One movie? Get outta here. Trillfendi (talk)
 * Comment Black was in over 300 movies, so not sure how you came up with her only being in one. You're obviously are not familiar with her career at all other than glancing over the article. Wikiuser20102011 (talk) 06:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete PORNBIO is not a tool to toss out GNG. A "New performer" award is a good indication the person has not had enough of a career to gain notability. Legacypac (talk) 18:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as no evidence of any notability, Fails PORNBIO & GNG. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:51, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete While AVN Awards winning stands, that makes the sole claim of her notability. So she fails WP:BLP1E. Also Legacypac raises a good argument of WP:TOOSOON. WP:GNG wise I am not able to find any multiple significant coverage in secondary reliable sources, so she fails it as well. Nothing much in my searches, and to no surprise the article relies on AVN references. TonyTheTiger's vote should be disregarded as a failure per WP:JUSTAPOLICY as the policy is cited but no reason as to why. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:34, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


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