Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Alcaraz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, default to delete. NW ( Talk ) 08:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Alcaraz

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Subject of this WP:BLP requests deletion at 4893520. I am neutral. Stifle (talk) 18:39, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep if the Australian Jets are the highest pro-level in Australia, which my quick research suggests they are (but I am readily open to correction on this) Vartanza (talk) 17:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 18:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Speedy Keep. Alcaraz has played professionally for Houston Dynamo in Major League Soccer, and as such passes WP:GNG, WP:ATHLETE and WP:FOOTY/N. Should never have been nominated in the first place. --JonBroxton (talk) 18:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Jets line was completely unsourced, and given the history of unsourced edits probably completely bogus. I'm not clear on whether being on an MLS team for one year is enough to be notable, especially given the unclear status of the athelete rules and the fact that the MLS really isn't all that prestigous. Interpret this as a keep or delete based on whether being on an MLS team is notable, I guess. Yoshi348 (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Playing for an MLS team makes you notabile. --JonBroxton (talk) 18:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * If OTRS constitutes an office action then this should be speedy deleted per speedy deletion criteria G9. Not tagged, I am deferring to somebody else who can set that straight.  Cannot access the OTRS link above. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 18:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OTRS tickets are people making requests to the office, not the office nessecarily agreeing to the requests. Yoshi348 (talk) 19:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm confused. Who exactly has nominated this for deletion, and why? --JonBroxton (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that basically Johnny Alcaraz nominated it. He requested deletion through e-mail, not being fluent in wp policies, and it was forwarded here (probably after a check to make sure the request wasn't completely insane on its face). Doesn't seem like non-admins can see the ticket and therefore the reasons why, but all the unsourced information being added to the article lately is probably the answer. Yoshi348 (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Apparently, the subject requested that this article be deleted via the OTRS system. Stifle, as an OTRS Volunteer, authenticated that the e-mail was genuine, and filed the AFD on behalf of the subject. Not sure what happened then, but for whatever reason the template was not placed at the article, and this AFD was not listed in the day's log. One comment was added on June 12. Then I noticed it on the list of BLP AFDs (at the imminently helpful User:Jennavecia/AFDBIO) and checked into it. Since it's an OTRS request, I didn't want to dismiss it out of hand, and so relisted it and properly tagged and logged the AFD. It's not an office action per se, but a neutral request forwarded by a volunteer on behalf of the subject. I add that I'm neutral on the deletion question as well, but that we might consider some form of protection if vandalism and unsourced shenanigans are problems on this article. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 20:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How interesting. Well, so long as we can get rid of all the unsourced crap, and keep an eye out for vandalism (which I do anyway), I don't see any problem with keeping it. He passes all the notability requirements for a professional soccer player. His biographical details are correct, as per his USCB and Houston Dynamo bios, and his career stats are correct too. Beyond that, I really can't see anything wrong with the page. --JonBroxton (talk) 21:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Given the BLP concern, and that the subject has only made minimal professional appearances, I think deletion here is probably okay for the time being. No prejudice on recreation should the subject return to professional football. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:27, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep but monitor and retain only fully reliable sourced content. Concur with Chris Cunningham (not at work) above and come to similar conclusion. Technically the player passes ATHLETE with some cup appearances for Houston, but given subject request and marginal notability (as in, not the name on everybody's lips) no objection to deletion. Ideal scenario is retain the page with a close watch and rigorous attention to reliable sourcing to eliminate target vandalisms. -- Club Oranje T 10:07, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete One game against the Charleston Battery is the very picture of stretching the notability guidelines- no evidence he actually ever played in an MLS match. The subject's request here is axillary- he doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE- the U.S. Open Cup isn't a fully professional competition. Courcelles (talk) 03:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.