Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Bowden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Johnny Bowden

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Minor League Baseball player who has not played in any league higher than an AA (this year) and does not pass the drafted (with much consensus) WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines. There is debate within WP:Baseball about minor league players qualifying as "fully professional"

Good faith search (add quotes, keeping them messes up code in external link) brings up passing mention in articles about the team, no significant coverage of the subject, which means he fails the General notability guidelines. kelapstick (talk) 23:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:ATHLETE.-- Giants27 T/  C  23:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: This individual appears to be pass WP:BIO. The above search for sources was only for the past month. This Google News Archive search returns many more results. Cunard (talk) 00:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My mistake, the references need to be checked to make sure they are substantial coverage, not just a passing mention.--kelapstick (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Come back if/when "WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines" actually becomes a guideline. AfD hero (talk) 06:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete From the proposed guideline: "Minor league players, managers, coaches, executives, and umpires are not assumed to be inherently notable." No notability established.  He'll have to get a single to make it to first base on Wikipedia, since we're nowhere near ball four.  Mandsford (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * comment player does not pass Notability (sports) which is a more lax guideline than the proposed notability guideline either.--kelapstick (talk) 15:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Has not actually played a game at AA yet. Although he's on the roster, he' been on the DL.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  19:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect somewhere. Has not played at AA yet, and I'm striking out at finding independent sources that are more than just passing mentions or stat pages.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  19:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Statistics or brief mentions in articles about minor league teams do not constitute "significant coverage in reliable sources," as required by WP:N. BRMo (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Minor leagues are fully professional, therefore he passes WP:ATHLETE in the most obvious possible manner. It states A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards ... People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport AfD hero (talk) 19:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There has always been disagreement among Wikipedia editors about whether baseball's minor leagues should be regarded as fully professional. Although minor league players receive modest salaries, they are selected and employed by the major league teams and are essentially in a training / development program for the majors . Other policies, such as WP:N, WP:NOT, and WP:BLP also need to be considered.  WP:N requires significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, WP:NOT says that Wikipedia should not simply duplicate information that appears in sources such as directories or news media, and WP:BLP says care is needed in creating and maintaining biographies of living persons, especially when they are "essentially low-profile" (such as minor league baseball players). BRMo (talk) 22:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete based on my view of things, I do not consider the minor leagues as being "fully professional" therefore, I say he is a minor leaguer who does not meet requirements according to WP:ATHLETE. Mandermagic (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


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