Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Luk


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Welcome to all of our new editors. I hope you stay past the closing of this discussion and help improve articles, like the rest of us spend time doing. Liz Read! Talk! 21:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Johnny Luk

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The subject does not meet general notability requirements or the notability requirements for a politician. The only coverage of the subject is by local and obscure outlets who provide run-of-the-mill coverage of him as a candidate in local elections. thena (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Conservatism, Hong Kong,  and United Kingdom.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  22:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Agree that subject lacks required notability for an article. Williehuggies (talk)
 * Williehuggies (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete I also agree that the subject lacks required notability. A bright cold day in april (talk)
 * A bright cold day in april (talk) 12:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep : By searching with the subject person's Chinese name 陸勤業, I found numerous sources which documented his biography outside of his political career in detail, including Wen Wei Po, The News Lens, Phoenix Television, BBC, as well as a Wen Wei Po interview about Hong Kong immigrants' endeavors in the UK. The article has also presented several sources that documented his political career, such as Camden New Journal and Islington Tribune. Adding up both the Chinese and English sources, I think the subject person has obviously met GNG. Please take a look at the sources and rationales I presented. — Prince of Erebor  （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  13:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: My bad for not providing Chinese translation in my first comment, I have placed the translated versions of the five Chinese sources below:
 * In my opinion, even if the two English sources discussed below are excluded, these five sources already provided enough SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG and should be kept. — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  14:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, even if the two English sources discussed below are excluded, these five sources already provided enough SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG and should be kept. — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  14:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete. If he's elected in the general election next month, the article can be recreated but for the time being he doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG. As to the Camden New Journal and Islington Tribune articles mentioned by others, these seem to be cut-and-paste jobs from press releases put out by his campaign, which is sadly the norm in British local newspapers. I would argue that they do not constitute significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Lincolnite (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Lincolnite. I have also presented five Chinese sources which documented his life not related to the elections in SIGCOV. Please review the sources I have provided, and enlighten me why you find the notability is still not demonstrated from them. If you need help with the translations, please let me know as well. (Edit:I have provided translations above.) — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  14:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - nothing he has done prior to or including his candidacy are notable enough to warrant an article. Half a dozen puff pieces on the same subject is not significant enough to meet the GNG significant coverage requirement. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * He is barely mentioned in the Chinese language articles, which are all about people running for office, and aren't even specifically on him. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Mind reading the two Wen Wei Po and the Phoenix Television articles again? Not sure how you came up with the conclusion that he was "barely mentioned" and was mentioned along with other candidates. Two of them aren't even related to elections at all (which were published in 2015). — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  04:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * One Wen Wei Po article is about Xi Jinping visiting England, as is the Phoenix Television article. He's mentioned, but that's clearly not significant coverage of him - it looks like he was just interviewed for an article. The other Wen Wei Po article is simply about how he's running as a candidate, which falls afoul of our policies on political candidates (just passing GNG doesn't count since almost all candidates receive some coverage.) SportingFlyer  T · C  05:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing the sources again. I respectfully beg to differ with the last part of your statement. NPOL (along with all NBLP) can be mutually exclusive from GNG. An article can pass GNG and be kept even if there are concerns about NPOL. I also want to note that I disagree with some of the delete !votes in this discussion that brought up stuffs like poll results, which have no bearing on notability. However, since multiple editors have found the Chinese sources to be run-of-the-mill, the consensus seems clear and I no longer have a strong rationale to argue that the subject person meets GNG. Therefore, I will retract my keep !vote and instead go for a Weak delete. — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  06:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That is true, but we consistently interpret NPOL and the GNG in such a way that people who are only notable for being political candidates are not notable unless their candidacy was notable in some way, because all candidates generally receive at least some coverage, but tend not to have lasting notability ("you can't make yourself notable.") If our subject were notable for other reasons, there'd be no reason not to keep the article. SportingFlyer  T · C  15:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, what you said is exactly true. That was the reason why I tried to present sources outside of his political career in the first place, such as his early life and him being representative for an NGO, to prove that he passes GNG and despite the election not taking place, NPOL should not be a concern. Anyway, glad that we made a consensus here. — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ）  12:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - No evidence at all that it is a cut and paste article from press releases- indeed the examples cited are clearly interviews or written neutrally. Also note it makes no sense to delete an article just before a general election - this deletion request is clearly politically motivated. Editorman75 (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep - This deletion request just before the UK elections appears to be politically motivated. The person in question is the conservative candidate for the Milton Keynes Central parliamentary constituency in the July 4th 2024 UK parliamentary election. Emailani (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

— Editorman75 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Duplicate !vote: Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.
 * Delete - Website already suffers with half a dozen pages for people who do not need one, and given that polling suggests that he will be unlikely to win does not really add to this article's case. Agree with everything else stated so far. Tweedle (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete an article on an unelected political candidate which reads like a CV and who is not otherwise notable. If he wins, we can restore the article. SportingFlyer  T · C  19:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: The timing of this deletion request seems strange, just weeks before a General Election. His page was up all the way till now, when arguably he is more significant now than before. The only poll that matters is the actual election result, so this comment also does not add to the debate. Editorman75 (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep : He has been mentioned in multiple publications, such as this from the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67370571
 * He’s also a regular writer for world federation rowing, an Olympic sport: https://worldrowing.com/2023/05/10/the-irish-powerhouse-that-is-skibbereen-rowing-club/

— Duplicate !vote: Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.
 * I see absolutely no reason to move to delete this article, other than political motivation from rival candidates. This should be a factual and unbiased repository, regardless of potential election outcomes this is a person of note to be recorded. Editorman75 (talk) 20:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are several people advocating to keep this article, so I should probably expand my comment - every single source in the article is about him being a candidate, which we do not consider notable under the GNG and NPOL - local or general does not matter. The sources presented here are either election related or written by him, or he's been interviewed, including the non-English sources, which I translated. If he gets elected, he'll be eligible for an article, and I don't know why this is up for deletion now, but it's probably just because someone noticed. But this is a classic "only a candidate" article. SportingFlyer  T · C  01:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

— RogueWanderer29 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: The first editor suggested he was a local candidate. This is not true, he is not a candidate for the local elections - but for the General Election in 2019 and 2024 . That should heighten his notability. This was also highlighted by PR Week, a major publication. He was also mentioned by a range of major papers introducing the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, including the Evening Standard . In terms of other notability, he is clearly been a writer for Al Jazeera, a major publication and the HuffPost . RogueWanderer29 (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:NPOL. Simply being a candidate for office does not confer notability. The Evening Standard is routine campaign coverage, primarily about Rishi Sunak campaigning in Buckinghamshire, and only name-checks Luk right at the end: "He was introduced at the Q&A session by Johnny Luk, the Conservative candidate for Milton Keynes Central" - that is a long way from demonstrating notability. AusLondonder (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As above. The broadcast media is obliged to give equal coverage for all candidates in a constituency per British rules, and non-partisan local newspapers will also attempt this level of impartiality. Luk ran in a Labour fiefdom in 2019 and got under half the amount of votes of the winner. He's forecast to lose in 2024. Also, Al Jazeera and HuffPost enlist thousands of bloggers and writers from all over the world, these people are not employees and their writings are not endorsed by the publications. More importantly, no third party is writing about Luk's notability as a writer for AJ and HP. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:SIGCOV in both UK and Chinese language sources. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment for closing admin Please be aware both and  have been created 20 hours ago and made zero contributions other than at this AfD. Editorman75 has also attempted to !vote three times. AusLondonder (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Does this in any way diminish my valid opinion? You also state in your bio that you are strongly against people pushing their political agendas. I feel that in pushing for deletion of this article that exactly what ‘thena’ hopes to achieve Editorman75 (talk) 17:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't but it does if you keep spamming Keeps everywhere Tweedle (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete this article is just self-promotion. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment for all these accounts saying this is politically motivated, there are completely germane reasons why this would be up for deletion now. There is higher attention on the page about the constituency if there is a new election for editors to write about. A page on someone of such a low profile would have passed by unnoticed until then. Also bear in mind that An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, having a Wikipedia article isn't like having a website or a Twitter account, it's hardly a medium that would benefit a political candidate and highly likely to do the reverse. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Draftity currently does not meet WP:GNG. In the event of his election, would meet WP:NPOL. This is WP:TOOSOON at best and has been since its creation. Orange sticker (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.