Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Ma


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Notability established sufficient to pass WP:GNG. Multiple notable award winner in his field. Significant, non-trivial coverage in secondary sources. Non-admin closure per WP:NAC #1. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Johnny Ma

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Never heard of this filmmaker. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ENT. Me-123567-Me (talk) 05:02, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * He has some good Gnews results and he's won two of Canada's highest film honours. He meets GNG and WP:CREATIVE. Keep Also, "I haven't heard of him" is a great way to sabotage an Afd. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough on the "Haven't heard of him" comment. Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Moreover, I see from this user's talk page, a concern about POINTy editing over Bearcat's creation of this article going back two years. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 06:07, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, no, six months, as the article didn't exist until last fall after he won the award at TIFF. Bearcat (talk) 06:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Right. Sorry, misread that date. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 06:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I left the article after the speedy was declined to see if it would improve. It did not. Me-123567-Me (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The article most certainly has been "improved" since — both his CSA Best First Feature win and his CSA Best Screenplay nomination were announced in January of this year, and both have been added to the article already. And again, both his 2012 CSA nomination for Best Short Film and his TIFF win for Best First Feature meant that the article was already adequate to satisfy basic notability the moment it was created. Bearcat (talk) 18:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not only has the guy already won two significant film awards that pass ENT, he's also a two-time Canadian Screen Award nominee — and that's in the class of awards (cf. Junos, Governor-Generals, Gillers) where even just being nominated is grounds for an article whether one wins the award or not. Even just one of those four distinctions would be an WP:ENT pass, let alone all four of them together. And I'll ditto that "I've never heard of the guy" is not, in and of itself, a valid reason for deleting an article — lots of people you haven't heard of are notable and lots of people you have heard of aren't. Bearcat (talk) 06:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep subject appears to be quite notable. I'm pretty sure none of us have heard of every person who has a biography on our site. Lepricavark (talk) 14:17, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment added Chinese name and some background info. Timmyshin (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.