Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jojo Ryder


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 01:04, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Jojo Ryder

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I cannot find a reliable source for most of this material. Not even the IMDb entry documents most of it. The acting roles were very minor; the directed series seems minor also. I consequently have some concerns over all the material submitted by the very clearly COI editor, and would appreciate it if those more knowledgeable in the field double-checked it.  DGG ( talk ) 02:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Well, DGG is more knowledgeable in, well, about every field than me, but... Unable to find any reliable references anywhere.  I was thinking that a producer of a TV show might be notable enough.  However, a look at the IMDb page for the show reveals there were more than 50 producers for 26 episodes of a reality show airing on VH-1. Unable to verify he was a "recurring regular" on Invasion.  Can't find anything about Dougy on ABC connected with him.  Nothing else he has currently done raises the bar to presumed nobility. Bgwhite (talk) 06:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * don't delete please {hangon} Hi DGG and BGWhite, thank you for doing extensive research for me, and I really appreciate you guys helping me, I'm new to all the code and all that stuff even tho i've been a member for awhile, but just to sort of help out..IMDB usually does do background check with casting and production companies as the same with Wikipedia..JoJo is listed as first producer on For the Love of Ray J for numerous episodes, and anything more than 3 episodes on a tv series is considered "recurring", And the TV show Dougy never made it to production so that's why there wouldn't be a listing for it, it was a reference on how he got his break into film and tv. just like any other bio or resume if someone were to talk about you guys and do bio on you as listed on any wiki page..I'm just contributing what I know about him. I don't want the wiki page to be deleted please and will adhere to the policies if you can help me out that would be so awesome. Please help me fix this and make this right. If you also look on his IMDB page and click on all the credits and contact IMDB they will verify that it is legitimate credits. Will someone please help me? thank you thank you. Silentstringent (talk) 17:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC) comment added by Silentstringent (talk • contribs) 17:34, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete as a failure of WP:Notability (people) (IE: WP:TOOSOON). As it was good practice to do so, I gave the article a cleanup for format and style  before coming to this discussion.  And while I do not doubt Jo Jo's existence, the lack of reliable sources pretty much seal this article's fate.  To User:Silentstringent... the big problem with this article is it's lack of significant coverage in relaible sources for Jo Jo and his works. And while yes, one can get results for Jo Jo with a google search, the results are NOT in what Wikipedia considers reliable sources... an absolute requirement for verifiability. A lack of sourcability is a tremendous hurdle that it appears we cannot overcome at this time.  Please review WP:PRIMER, WP:V, WP:GNG, WP:RS, and WP:NAU. And toward IMDB... accurate in some portions or no... Wikipedia does not consider it a reliable source, however it CAN give clues with which to expand one's search for sources.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * please dont delete, thank you guys for helping me out with this..as I am digging research and learning code on this thing, I really appreciate all the help i can get..Thank you soo much Schmidt for helping me clean it up a bit and kind of understand but I was reading, this code also came up and as JoJo is a person in the Entertainment industry and has had significant roles as verified on IMDB as an actor in TV and producer on TV.. he falls under this category WP:ENTERTAINER he falls in one of those listings. even if he doesn't fall under WP:GNG. a question to you all is can you give me an example of verifiable if everyone else on wiki including steven spielberg eddie cibrian or whoever are usually all well known so whatever anyone puts out on them on the web is considered verifiable becaue theyre well known celebs. what do you need to make it verifiable like who states its verifiable? since we live in a social media age and internet age that no one goes to the library anymore and we all use computers? sorry if it sounds like a tangent, but i just need someone to help me see what is considered verifiable before everyone asks my page to be deleted..it would just help everyone understand..myself included. since this is the first time I created an article and i am already gettin deleted..lol Can you help me? thank you sooo much..i really do appreciate all of this. Silentstringent (talk) 16:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * the thing is, that while the people you mention are certainly discussed in all sorts of sources on the web, they are also discussed in reliable published sources with responsible editing: newspapers--for entertainers the LA Times is normally a good place for information, major trade magazines such as Variety, and general magazines also.  Material on the web can be reliable, if it ultimately comes from sources such as those, or from major news programs on television. since anyone can write   on WP, and we have no screening by named editors who take responsibility for content,  the only reason people know they can rely to any extent at all on the information here is because it is sourced from places where there is trustworthy editing, and they can go and check those places to verify the material.  DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * got it...okay so now dumb obvious question which is probably easy to find else where in wikipedia, but say the page does get deleted, but after deletion of said wiki page, there are reliable verifiable sources such as those that you mentioned..then how do I go about re-creating the page I just created that got deleted without having to recreate it but copy and paste from the original? cuz that was a lot of work since I am definitely not a pro on posting articles..lol...how can I go about un-deleting the page that was already created is what I'm asking? so that it goes live without all the tags? Silentstringent (talk) 03:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If the article is deleted from mainspace, and you wish to work on improvements OUT of mainspace, all you need do is request on the talk page of the closing admin that the article be userfied to you at a user workspace such as User:Silentstringent/workspace/Jojo Ryder. When you think it ready for a return to mainspace, all you need do is ask the closing admin to evaluate whether or not concerns have been addressed. If they are, they article can be returned to mainspace. If they are not, a return will not be advisable.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * thank you both for helping me out..and also for helpin me correct wiki etiquette on his page. thank you again. Silentstringent (talk) 02:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
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