Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Courtney (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 00:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Jon Courtney
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Singer/songwriter in middlingly-notable alternative band. Most of the article, and the references, are about his band. I don't see any reason for a separate article, myself. Wheelchair Epidemic (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy redirect to the band. Seems like a logical enough choice, doesn't even require AfD in my opinion. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak neutral. May meet WP:MUSIC independently of the band but I'm not certain. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Brought here because it was AFD'd four months ago (link here), when it was kept (but most of the Keep !votes appeared to be "he's notable" IMHO). Wheelchair Epidemic (talk) 23:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Even so, I think merge would've been a better idea. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep: The first half of the page deals with work outside PRR. WP:MUSIC "members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band". If you see this, the Sunset Sound (Jon's previous band) is in its own right notable enough for an article, so nobody can argue that his page doesn't fulfill WP:MUSIC. Ironholds 23:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Um ... Sunset Sound appear only to be a precursor to PRR - they are mentioned as such in PRR's article, and don't appear to have independent notability - unless anyone knows better of course... Wheelchair Epidemic (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to assume from that that you didn't follow the link; if you would have found independent notability. Releases with a different lineup to PRR, a different type of music (both showing independence from this band) and citations/reviews from notable media sources. Iron<b style="color:#808080">ho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 00:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They probably need their own article, in that case. Wheelchair Epidemic (talk) 00:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll create that in the morning, then; I haven't been bothered so far due to the lack of need and working on other projects (an entire city, for example ;p) but i'll have it up by 2PM GMT. <b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 02:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   --  TravellingCari  00:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. There was a recent AfD for this article that resulted in a 'keep' decision and nothing has really changed since then, so I see no reason to have another AfD. If a merge is appropriate, then a merge should be suggested—another AfD is not the right way to go about considering a merge. Bondegezou (talk) 10:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Sunset Sound is now up; asserts notability independent of PRR and gives Courtney notability under WP:MUSIC. <b style="color:#D3D3D3">Ir</b><b style="color:#A9A9A9">on</b><b style="color:#808080">ho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 01:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. I have argued this case before, so please check the last AfD to see my opinions on the matter. In brief, Courtney fulfills WP:MUSIC on several grounds (even though he only needs to fulfill it on one). He has written notable songs, is a member of several notable acts, has played headline tours etc etc. I will not contribute further to this discussion; please see the long and tedious debate with Justpassinby from February. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedarkfourth (talk • contribs) 18:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


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