Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Eilevsson Steintjønndalen


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The result was   merge to The Helland fiddle maker family. v/r - TP 01:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Jon Eilevsson Steintjønndalen

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Google Book search showed no results for the full name. The claim in the article that he "became a fine violin maker. But he gave it up at an early age" does not sound promising for satisfaction of WP:BIO. Editors fluent in Norwegian might be able to see if any of the sources for the first and last name at Google Book Search  help with notability. Edison (talk) 18:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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 *  Delete  I cannot find any other reliable sources, including an Internet search and a search through the national library. The Norwegian article on him has some sources, but they all seem to be on fiddlemaking in general, and the same list is included in his father's article. So-called sources include a newspaper article from when he was 7, "private letters" and various books about the rural district. The article does mention one book, which covers the history of the Harding fiddle in general, but I do not know how much it discusses Steintjønndalen; a single mention of him there will not merit notability. It seems unlikely that Steintjønndalen is notable, particularly when the article says he quit early and only made a few fiddles. Arsenikk (talk)  21:49, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge per Hegvald below, who makes a strong point. Most of the 14 people are probably not notable, but I suspect they are notable collectively. Arsenikk (talk)  09:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How about merging this and most of the very short articles on his relatives into the article on The Helland fiddle maker family? I will admit to my complete ignorance about Norwegian fiddle-making (and thus my complete ignorance about where to look for sources), but I suspect that a family like this one is more notable collectively than the majority of its individual members. The few members that have slightly more substantial biographies can be left with their own articles and the rest can be broken out again if it ever becomes necessary. --Hegvald (talk) 08:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Google books is extremely anglo centric and I doubt that you will find anything about Hardanger fiddle traditions or -players there. A better place to ask for sources is at the the folk music center at Valdres Folkemuseum or similar places. Talking to Frode Inge, and knowing his sources, I think the articles are sound and should be kept as individual articles. Its not the family that is important here, its what they have done as individuals. There might be a slight misconception here; in Sweden the family heritage is important and also in most other European countries. In Norway its not very important. We have a fiddle player from a family of musicians, not a musician from a fiddle player family. To me it would be very strange to collect these articles in one common article, but perhaps its just me. Jeblad (talk) 19:36, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

The Norwegian Hardangerfiddle heritage
Jon Eilevsson Steintjønndalen was a member of the Helland family of fiddlemakers, the family who developed the modern Hardanger fiddle. He was one of them who carried the developement foreward. He lived in a small community, Bø in Telemark, when the times were very harsh for fiddlemakers. So, after working as a fiddlemaker in the 1870-ties, he left his occupation and became a stone worker. But the fiddles he made are still in high consideration.

I just had a telephone call with the autor of Hardingfela, amanuensis at Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), mr Bjørn Aksdal, who was the leader of the just concluded The Norwegian Hardanger fiddle research project. He expressed his regrets about the deletion of the article.

The article is a piece of a more complete picture of the Hardanger fiddle history. Excluding Jon Eilevsson Steintjønndalen from Wikipedia will not make Wikipedia any better or more reliable. Very little is written about him but he is briefly mentioned in a number of sources. There is hardly much more known about him than written in the article. :Jon Eilevson Steintjønndalen is mentioned in this overwiev: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/norwegian-musical-instrument-makers-books-llc/1022742942But research continues and new information may be unveiled.

So, in my opinion it serves no sensible purpose to delete the Jon Eilevsson Steintjønndalen article.--Frode Inge Helland (talk) 19:00, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
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