Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jon Sable


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ✗ plicit  02:44, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Jon Sable

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This minor comic book series seems to fail WP:GNG and related (WP:NBOOK, etc.). The few references in the article don't seem very reliable of meeting WP:SIGCOV and my BEFORE failed to locate anything helpful. He did get a TV series ( Sable (TV series)) which likewise seems to have very little coverage. The best I see is this. While this comic existed, it seems to have made too little impact to deserve a stand-alone article. Thoughts? Maybe a merge to the publisher, First Comics? It would be good to preserve some basic information and redirects rather than making this into a red link. Frankly, I'd be happy to see this rescued, but right now I am afraid this is mostly unreferenced fancruft/original research on an entity that does not appear to be notable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  07:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. As stated in the AfD explanatory text above, the Jon Sable comic resulted in a show on network television in the 1980s, which is a pretty good indicator that a comic book made a mark on the world. But Wikipedia's book notability guidelines don't say a TV adaptation is automatic proof of notability, so I'll also share the following proof. First a quick search pulled up critical articles about the comic, including one in Critical Survey of Graphic Novels: Heroes & Superheroes stating that the comic was one of the first of the independent and dark superhero stories of the 1980s and "helped usher in the grim and gritty sensibility that came to define the genre." In addition, there are two reviews of the series in Publishers Weekly (see link 1 and link 2) along with the comic being written about and reviewed in places like The Comics Journal (see this link for an example) and Comics Buyer's Guide (unable to link to, but you can search for it in the Wikipedia Library). It also appears there was significant coverage of the comic in the comic-industry press of the 1980s and '90s, but unfortunately very little of that is online or easily accessible. Finally, Gene Simmons is a fan of the series -- Wikipedia definitely can't delete one of Gene's favorite comics. :-) Anyway, all of that definitely proves this series meets Wikipedia's book notability guidelines. I've also added this info and these and other citations to the article.--SouthernNights (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the evidence provided by SouthernNights.4meter4 (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. And when the nominator does as lousy a BEFORE search as this, he ought to just withdraw it when his error is shown. Stop wasting everybody's time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.149.176.57 (talk) 17:36, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.