Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jona Laks


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  07:16, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Jona Laks

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Reviewing articles for notability and bringing them here is a task that sometimes bring bad karma, and it is with some sadness that I bring this one here. Still, personal feelings aside, I do think that this Holocaust survivor is not meeting WP:BIO. Her name does appear in several news stories and books, but in passing: like most Holocaust survivors, she was interviewed, including both scholars and media like BBC, and her story is briefly - in one of two paragraphs at most - mentioned in several sources, but I count only several. She is an activist, and that got her several more mentions, up to an including a speech in front of UN. However, that's all I see. No in-depth coverage, and we do not have any rule saying that Holocaust survivors are notable. This one-sentence biography cannot be expanded beyond a short paragraph at most (through I do know that shortness is not a reason for deletion). Please note she is already mentioned at List_of_victims_and_survivors_of_Auschwitz with the exact same sentence that accompanies her bio: "One of the "Mengele twins" who was selected and used for involuntary medical experiments.". With all due respect, we do not need a one-sentence bio that repeats that, inclusion in the list is perfectly sufficient. I suggest redirecting it there, and perhaps adding a sentence to the list about her activism, this will fully complete any coverage of her we may have. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - Page could be easily expanded. I've been working on some Olympian articles, but I believe this article could definitely make it to DYK with some effort, and perhaps even GA. From WP:NBIO, The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field. - A documentary film, making of an organisation (such as Eva Kor) and more don't qualify? There are no primary sources. All sources are reliable. Many other news sources covered it thoroughly. Dat GuyTalkContribs 09:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have expanded as much as I could, but all that I was able to do is to add 2 more short sentences. If you can do more, with sources that show she received in-depth coverage, I'd be happy to withdraw my nom. I do think that merging to the list is the best outcome. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I see you have expanded the article, but so far I do not see that we are saying anything except she survived the holocaust, became an acitivst, spoke in front of UN and had several interviews. Still no in-depth coverage, and with utmost respect for her ordeal and sincere appreciation for her activism, neither seems to make her notable by itself. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:06, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 11:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 11:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Dat GuyTalkContribs 12:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Consensus is unclear. Lourdes 14:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. I expanded the article with reliable sources. Anyone who has spoken before the United Nations General Assembly and appeared in several documentary films speaking about the Mengele twins experiments, not to mention chairs an organization, is certainly notable IMO. Yoninah (talk) 19:24, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I do commend you on squeezing everything possible from the sources; if this survives the DYK I'd be happy to positively review this for a DYK. However, until this is kept, I still stand by that speaking in front of a UN and appearing in one documentary (not about her, she was just one of the subjects of it) is not sufficient for notability, since I can't match those events with any GNG requirements. And certainly chairing a minor activist organization that has practically no media footprint, is not notable, and we most certainly DO NOT have any criteria that states chairs of organizations are notable. PS. I do find it annoying that she seems less notable then a plethora of minor sports and entertainment celebrities, but that's a problem with the policies. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete She was many of the subjects of Mengel's brutality. There is no justification for having a stand along article. Her actions and the coverage do not merit one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:47, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment for Closer - I hope consensus is established and it is not relisted, as to conform with the DYK "Expanded at least fivefold" guideline. Dat GuyTalkContribs 13:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes  14:12, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree that even with the current state of the article there is not enough in-depth coverage cited to establish notability. I also find it annoying that we allow articles on "a plethora of minor sports and entertainment celebrities" but have more stringent requirements for others. (I would like to see notability for military awards of less than the "highest level of valor".)  MB 04:33, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per Dat Guy, gng. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:59, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


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