Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Barber


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Many additional sources were suggested, but they do not seem to have been persuasive to the discussion. The subject is mentioned at the Chikara page and a few words about him could be added there. MelanieN (talk) 00:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Jonathan Barber

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 * Queried speedy delete for notability. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons I listed elsewhere on this page. - Safetine (talk) 20:09, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as searches found nothing better at all. SwisterTwister   talk  04:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  04:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  SwisterTwister   talk  04:26, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete No significant coverage in reliable independent sources. KDS 4444  Talk  09:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment The Wrestling Observer, Pwinsider, Fox News, a book, 411mania, Fight Network, PASTE Magazine, etc. are in fact "reliable" and "independent"? The Wrestling Observer has strict inclusion standards. PASTE Magazine specifically spells out its rules for inclusion, which meet wikipedia's notability standards:

http://www.pastemagazine.com/paste/2012/03/writer-guidelines.html

Search for pwinsider and 411mania on wikipedia and you'll get over 6,000 examples of them being used as sources because they are reliable and independent of the entities which they are reporting on. Why should those same sources be treated any differently in this article than they are in thousands of other wikipedia articles? They definitely should not.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS687US687&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=411mania+barber+chikara&start=40 brings up many sources.

Referee Brian Gorie has an article and he was only in a movie in a minor role. Other pro wrestling referees (See the Professional Wrestling Referees category.) have articles. This person had an effect on wikipedia, wrestling, and blooper culture and there are sources to evidence it. The reason your searches found nothing is you have to search for "Jon Barber chikara" and "Jonathan Barber chikara."

IMDB pages - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6352129/ and http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7990689/

I've added new sources.

This is not a vote process. It is about merits of arguments and your two arguments have not yet expressed reasoning as to why you feel the way that you do. - Safetine (talk) 19:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The key word is significant coverage.  Passing mentions really don't contribute nor does (as in the Fox video) apparently showing up in the background (how you can call that featured is beyond me).  The fact that there is an article about Brian Gorie does not argue for this one (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) and probably means that article should maybe go too.  It has been tagged for notability issues already.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)  ___________
 * Comment He has a current profile page devoted entirely to him on the web site of the fourth largest (out of thousands) professional wrestling organization in the United States - http://chikarapro.com/chikara-roster/jonathan-barber. That qualifies as significant coverage. He also had his own show. It was associated with the fourth largest professional wrestling organization in the United States. - Safetine (talk) 19:05, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability not established.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I added another source. - Safetine (talk) 19:59, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment And yet another source. - Safetine (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Should the information in this article be merged into the Chikara (professional wrestling) article's section about this person? - Safetine (talk) 21:29, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete It looks like there's a number of sources, but it turns out they aren't significant independent coverage of him.Mdtemp (talk) 15:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


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